MWAG
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except for the gun fitting tightly in the holster, i do not use any form of retention when i carry for personal defense. how about you guys?
Thumb break retention- yes or no
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Glock 'em down
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A thumb break on a concealed carry holster is kinda silly. Hell, they're kinda silly on an open carry holster. A guy can disarm you just as quick with a TB model as he can an OT model.
The only true snatch "resistant" holster (NO holster is completely snatch proof) is one that has some type of internal device. Like the Safariland model 295 or 070. A thumb break is a false sense of security. If you think a thumb break is gonna slow down an attacker, guess again.
For the record, I carry a Glock 22 in a Galco "Combat Master" on duty.
Yeah...I know. I work for an agency that is very laid back. I work for a small 2 year college campus. We are a bona-fide police department (not security) but we just don't have the crap that the local PD has.
The only true snatch "resistant" holster (NO holster is completely snatch proof) is one that has some type of internal device. Like the Safariland model 295 or 070. A thumb break is a false sense of security. If you think a thumb break is gonna slow down an attacker, guess again.
For the record, I carry a Glock 22 in a Galco "Combat Master" on duty.
Yeah...I know. I work for an agency that is very laid back. I work for a small 2 year college campus. We are a bona-fide police department (not security) but we just don't have the crap that the local PD has.
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When I know I am going to be very active, ie: walking around the woods over rock and logs, or bending down a lot I prefer a thumb break, maybe it's just me, but I would hate to have a nice gun fall out of the holster. I can pull it as fast with or with the thumb break.
BarbC
Member
No. I cut them off the holster I have with it.
sipowicz
Member
No..I like to keep my thumbs soft and supple.
Brian41
Member
Mine mostly have thumb breaks to keep the gun from falling out accidently.
mrwildroot
Member
I am, at times, very active , and prefer the security of an OWB Thumb Break type holster. Not too worried about BG snatching, just about dropping weapon.
IWB, open top only.
Don't forget a good Gunbelt!
Mrwildroot
IWB, open top only.
Don't forget a good Gunbelt!
Mrwildroot
safearm
US Veteran
When I was first hired as an LEO, we were issued Don Hume Jordan holsters with the safety strap. Later, we transitioned to Safariland 229, a mid-rise thumb break. The thumb break, or any other kind of retention device, is not to prevent a gun grab, but to hold the gun in the holster as you are moving around, i.e., getting in and out of a patrol car, bending over to pick up something, etc.
Today, when I working around my ranch, I have a holster with either a strap or thumb break, depending on what gun I'm carrying. Again, just to keep from loosing the gun. Most of my CCW is pocket or IWB carry with a J-frame, so I'm not as concerned about retention as I'm not doing the things that would cause the gun to come out of the holster unexpectedly.
Today, when I working around my ranch, I have a holster with either a strap or thumb break, depending on what gun I'm carrying. Again, just to keep from loosing the gun. Most of my CCW is pocket or IWB carry with a J-frame, so I'm not as concerned about retention as I'm not doing the things that would cause the gun to come out of the holster unexpectedly.
RogueJSK
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I prefer OWB holsters with retention (not on my IWB holsters, though). As others have said, it can help to prevent grabs, but it's mostly just for added security when moving around.
For this extra retention, I prefer thumbreaks to the "button/lever" style of retention both because it's what I'm used to, as well as the fact that thumbreaks do not have a mechanical component that can be jammed with dirt or debris. (The first time you get a rock stuck in your Serpa mechanism, rendering your weapon unable to be drawn, you might feel the same way as me.
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In the end, as with most things involving guns and holsters, it comes down to personal preference. I agree that extra retention may be a bit redundant for the majority of concealed carriers. If you're okay with an open-top holster, and that works for you, great.
For this extra retention, I prefer thumbreaks to the "button/lever" style of retention both because it's what I'm used to, as well as the fact that thumbreaks do not have a mechanical component that can be jammed with dirt or debris. (The first time you get a rock stuck in your Serpa mechanism, rendering your weapon unable to be drawn, you might feel the same way as me.
)In the end, as with most things involving guns and holsters, it comes down to personal preference. I agree that extra retention may be a bit redundant for the majority of concealed carriers. If you're okay with an open-top holster, and that works for you, great.
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No retention devices on holsters (seven of them) for 642. That even includes the upside down shoulder holster.
Conversely, all of my 9mm holsters have snap straps. I prefer them for the 9mm as it's a bit "top heavy" whilst holstered.
Be safe.
Conversely, all of my 9mm holsters have snap straps. I prefer them for the 9mm as it's a bit "top heavy" whilst holstered.
Be safe.
I prefer a thumb-break safety strap when I can get one on a good holster, but I have quite a few good holsters without them. They are NOT all necessarily good enough for crawling around on the ground.
For me, the safety strap is not about a weapon snatch. My primary defense against that is concealment, my secondary is my right elbow, my tertiary is distance, and after that it's up to me and my second weapon, or various retention techniques.
I don't lead a very rough-and-tumble life, so my holster needs appear to me to be a bit different from what a policeman or a soldier, or even some outdoorsmen, might require.
For me, the safety strap is not about a weapon snatch. My primary defense against that is concealment, my secondary is my right elbow, my tertiary is distance, and after that it's up to me and my second weapon, or various retention techniques.
I don't lead a very rough-and-tumble life, so my holster needs appear to me to be a bit different from what a policeman or a soldier, or even some outdoorsmen, might require.
flop-shank
US Veteran
I'm not against them, but no thumb breaks for me. For the sake of uniformity, I have no intention of ever buying a holster with them.
Srigs
Member
No plain and simple.
speedshooter
Member
I have used both and prefer no retention just seems smoother and faster to me.But it all boils down to what you like..I think i have gone through 1/2 dozen different types and mods on holsters, you just havta find what works for you.
m657
Member
Yes on thumb break, as I go in the woods and it adds a bit of that 'secure' feeling. I've never had a handgun fall out of such a rig even in rough scrambling and various outdoorsy activities.
A couple years ago I got a tremendous bargain on a really nice tight fitting N frame holster with no strap. The gun fit VERY well in a well made leather rig. So well, it is a major effort to put the gun INTO the holster, along with resulting finish wear on the blue frame.
It is even a greater effort to get the gun OUT, and certainly not in any kind of smooth, effortless or timely fashion.
Different uses have different options in my personal use.
A couple years ago I got a tremendous bargain on a really nice tight fitting N frame holster with no strap. The gun fit VERY well in a well made leather rig. So well, it is a major effort to put the gun INTO the holster, along with resulting finish wear on the blue frame.
It is even a greater effort to get the gun OUT, and certainly not in any kind of smooth, effortless or timely fashion.
Different uses have different options in my personal use.
LoboGunLeather
US Veteran
Some agencies require a positive means of retention for holsters used by their officers, and some specify a thumb-break style.
Some users simply feel more comfortable with the added security provided by a thumb-break.
Being comfortable and confident in ones' personal defense gear is a big plus. Maximizing ones' confidence is important, as the mental state is one of the keys to survival in a defensive situation.
Some users simply feel more comfortable with the added security provided by a thumb-break.
Being comfortable and confident in ones' personal defense gear is a big plus. Maximizing ones' confidence is important, as the mental state is one of the keys to survival in a defensive situation.
38-44HD45
Absent Comrade
For concealed carry, never, except on the vary rare occasions when I carry in a shoulder rig while driving a long distance. For open carry hunting rigs, I usually use a rig with a retention strap or flap, but not always.
Pasifikawv
Member
For CC, I use a tuckable IWB almost exclusively. My daily wear requires a tucked shirt. No strap or thumbbreak on my IWB.
My two OWB's (one for tromping thru the woods and one used as a duty holster) both have thumb break retention straps.
At the range and during unloaded draw practice at home, I practice with both styles.
My two OWB's (one for tromping thru the woods and one used as a duty holster) both have thumb break retention straps.
At the range and during unloaded draw practice at home, I practice with both styles.
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