I took my daughter to chuck-e-cheese yesterday and as I was leaving I noticed a "No firearms, violaters will be treated as trespassers" sign. I took a photo and asked for the home office number. The manager followed me out and asked if he could help. He noticed me taking a pic of the sign and wanted to address my concerns. I told him I was a ccw holder and that I have never seen that sign in all of the times that my daughter and I had been there. He said it was new policy from corporate. I told him a gun free zone is a pretty dangerous place per the stats and by putting that sign there and not allowing citizens to carry he has put myself and my daughter at risk and that I would no longer be a patron and to cancel her birthday party that is in January. (The wife may kabosh that but I did throw it out there). He was very polite and gave me his card. I called their home office (in Texas) and lodged my complaint.
Today I called and spoke to the ISP firearms division to see if that was legal for a business to do so. The officer, said it was legal for the business to do that and that it is no big deal and stated that he himself does not carry off duty. He stated he lives and shops in an area where he doesn't feel the need to do so and that anytime he is on duty and sees someone carrying openly he challenges them for their permit and that he and his family will leave a business if they see someone carrying and he is off duty. The officer said I can choose to go elsewhere with my business but that a business has a right to refuse anyone that comes in as long as not for race,color,creed,etc..
I had never saw these signs in Southern Indiana businesses before and this is the third one I have seen in the last year. Value City furniture, the Jeff Library and now Chuck E Cheese. You would see them in Kentucky (Louisville mostly) in alot of businesses but not North of the river so much.

It was an eye opener and I am probaly more bummed than I should be but I don't like being blindsided like that. I do not consider myself a lawbreaker, yet I spent one hour unknowingly trespassing while eating pizza with my daughter.

Indiuckian

Have your party at Chuck-e-Norris...they allow guns and have much more fun stuff for kids. The groin kick pit is a blast...my little Dino loves it!

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You do know that spiderman and the hulk both wear Chuck Norris PJ's to bed.

I am LMAO. Thank You Sir. Chuck E Norris. Now that is some funny stuff. You are quick sir. A buddy of mine is quick that way.

Sip is DEFINITELY our resident West Coast wit of the Forum.

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Thank you all...enjoy the veal...

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Maybe I'm way off base here but I think I would have some reservations about the police officer that made those statements, doesn't carry off-duty and seems to harbor some anti gun sentiment!

Those signs are so misguided at so many levels - anyone here could go on and on about inanimate objects, how someone who means harm won't care about a sign, etc.

As for the officer ... of course he's anti-gun. The misfortune of the police department is that they have to draw from the human race. Cops are like any other civilians. Some of them are gunnies, some aren't.


ETA: No. I'm not anti cop. Quite the opposite actually.

That's just one of many, many reasons to avoid Chuck-E-Cheese. I'm not sure I'd go back to one if they were giving away guns.

Its true, businesses can refuse service based on anything, including concealed weapons. Starbucks does it all the time. You need to make sure you don't print or show when you're buying your eggnog late or you will be asked to leave, specially here in the pacific north west.

Sometimes its even worse... the wont tell you anything but they will call the cops drectly. Since most starbucks employees are hippie-liberal young kids, their phone call will sound like this" "there is a MAN with a GUN here!".

As you can imagine, this statement pants an entirely different picture. Long story shorts.... as you are walking out sipping on your mocha, 4 cops are drawing down on you from behind their cruisers.

.....true story, happened to a friend of a friend

They don't seem to realize all these signs do is keep the legal, licensed and law abiding from bringing in a gun; they don't do a damn thing to stop the guy coming in to rob the store or kill the employees and patrons. It just let's him know everyone inside is a sitting duck. The smart choice are the signs that state "The unlicensed possession of a firearm on these premises is illegal"; that way good guys can carry and there is an extra charge to file against the bad guy.

Now just as important, why would anyone want to eat the ketchup covered cardboard CEC calls pizza?

YouTube - Chucky Cheese Hell
This pretty much sums up Chucky-E-Cheese to me.

Not a problem. Took my daughters to CC when they were little and wanted to go out for pizza. I refuse to live my life constantly looking over my shoulder and otherwise scanning everyone for a potential threat.

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I refuse not to..especially when I am with my kids.

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Many officers do not carry off duty. It does not mean they are anti gun. Carry one all day, along with cuffs, spare ammo, spray and the other items needed and it gets heavy. Off duty and not carrying is like a vacation.

That said, some departments endorse off duty carry and if an officer is identified during an incident, his life is in danger if he is not carrying. I went out to eat last weekend with a detective when he was off duty. He had his sidearm in his car but not on his person. I had mine but only because one never knows what might happen like did in Lubys in TX a few years back.

I carry openly almost as much as I do concealed and never been questioned by anyone as to why or my credentials. It is common in many areas that are anti gun to be approached by LEO, but not around here.

I am not a lawyer, but am an Indiana resident with a lifetime permit.

IIRC, Indiana gives a retail establishment the ability to post the "No Guns" signs, but the only thing they can do is to ask you to leave the premises if they detect you carrying. It's only if you REFUSE to leave when asked that the trespassing charge can be levied. If asked to leave, and you do so, it's the end of the matter legally.

Having said that, remember that you don't ever want to argue with a cop on the side of the road (or in this case outside the establishment). Be respectful, know your rights, and you should be cool.

Amen to that! +! Sip

If you are truely CONCEALED with your carry weapon no one will ever know. Just remember that if you get into a situation defending people other than you and yours, the law may not be on your side. IMHO In most states if you as a CCW holder get caught most they may do is kick you out. (your results may vary)

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how can you not?

Ok ... I'm an old fart, but not too old to learn from someone who knows.

At the very least, I shouldn't jump to conclusions based on so little information. I stand corrected.

Not the least of which is that if you eat enough of that high fat pizza it'll KILL YA!!

There are plenty of places to get pizza and when my daughter was young we had her birthday parties at home. It required more effort but it cost less and she always enjoyed her birthday. I vote with my money on such things and simply do not give my money to businesses that have such policies. It is their right to restrict weapons on their property and it is my right to stay off their property and patronize businesses who do not have such policies.

When I was an active LEO I was always armed when I left the house. There were people in the area that had made threats and I had helped to send to jail/prison who I didn't want to encounter if unarmed. Also, if I was out with another LEO I didn't wish to have to defend him and me with just my OD weapon. I had a good friend and fellow officer who refused to carry anything when off duty because it was just too much trouble in his opinion. I thought it was foolish and told him so but it was his choice in that department. He was an excellent officer and he and I worked together many times. He qualified Distinguished Expert with his issued M10. I respected him very much but still considered his decision to be foolish.

Next time, go to a real Italian pizza shop. Carrying a gun will be a non-issue. The only thing they do frown upon is wearing a wire and of course, ordering pineapple on your pizza.

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In the Austin PD in the 60's and 70's and officer was required to be armed off duty -- Not to be could get you some unpaid days off

i must go with a huge +1

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KK4EMO

No need to stand corrected. Some officers in a few areas are anti gun.

For the fun of it, try carrying about 35 pounds of weight around you waist or upper torso all day. That is why I wear a shoulder holster so some of the weight is on my shoulders.

Many people think when an officer starts to walk up to their car while pulling on their pants is a power play. It is not. Their pants fall from the weight on their belt.

Take a four pound gun, two loaded mags, two sets of cuffs, a taser, a can of spray, a set of keys, a heavy belt and six keepers and the weight adds up. Taking it off once home and it feels wonderful. I took my rig off when I got home today and felt a major weight off my shoulders. If I go out tonight, I will stick my gun in the waist band mexican carry.

I've always looked at those duty belts and thought to myself "How in the world do they carry all that **** around all day every day?"

another CEC incident. Several yrs ago, my grand daugther had a party at CEC and my daughter in law's car was broken into and CD's and stereo stolen. CEC said it happened a lot cause most people going in would be in there for several hours at a time.

I quit going.

We always go to the "Incredible Pizza Company" here in Missouri, no signs and I always CC while there and they have an indoor go cart track for the kids. Quit the Chuckecheese route many years ago when we went to one and it was filthy and the food was nasty.

Every since they shut down the Showbiz name and went with Chucky Cheese the food has been disgusting and just a horrible place to go. Just another reason not to go back imo.

I have never found a SBUX with a "No Weapons" sign. Their corporate policy was stated as "as local law allows". They were on the front page of the Wall Street Journal about open carry in CA at SBUX and they refused to put up signs and said they were just upset that they were dragged into the political debate. It was HCI and the Brady bunch that were lobbying them to post no weapons signage. I think one of the other coffee shops out of Seattle did post and they were praising them, it may have been Peet's. I went to SBUX website and let them know I was glad they supported the 2nd amend. Now you will routinely find employees, managers, and customers that may call police on a MWAG. Happens at Walmart all the time when they state OC or CCW is OK.

I think the sad truth of the matter is that we are going to see more and more of posting of no gun zones. More and more I'm reading of this attitude and how it is not socially acceptable to a lot of people to see someone carrying a gun.

The loudest voice we have is our pocket book. If we don't like it, don't spend your $ there and let them know.

I'm not crazy about the cops attitude either. _Use to be_ some jobs you didn't leave at 5:00, just part of the duty. Firemen, Policemen, Doctors, and so - not realistic today - I guess. It just bothers me and I'm searching myself as to why!

I like Clint Smith a lot, and one of his 'Clintisms' that I use a lot is - I carry because a cop is too heavy.
I think it shows respect for policemen and guns.

couple of points an opinions...

1. ChuckE.Cheese pizza REALLY sucks!
2. My daughter LOVES CEC and EVERYTHING ABOUT IT.
3. I love my dughter with all my being... (so we go!)
4. I wish I could CC every where... but I can't.
5. Know where you are, who is there, and what the threats are.
6. If its not safe leave...

if the "ATTACK" happens your screwed anyway.... lets be honest...
Are you gonna get in to a gun battle with your 8+1 45 compact?
Are you going to abandon your beautiful little 3yo princess to shoot it out with this BG?
Of course not......... ppl lets get real...

Dont get me wrong...
I carry 100% of the time I am allow by law.
And of course a 100% while on duty...

this life is not a warzone....
just be aware and 90% of the problems will be avoided.

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I can hear the responces already, .............. *sigh*..................
breath, its going to be ok!
I am PRO gun and PRO self defense.
Protect your own, protect others...
honor, trust, courage & honesty!

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I've seen those signs, one was at a hospital in Seattle.

Concealed means concealed.

Don't ask, don't tell.

It's not a felony, the worst that will happen will be being asked to leave.

Just my opinion.

"if the "ATTACK" happens your screwed anyway.... lets be honest...
Are you gonna get in to a gun battle with your 8+1 45 compact?
Are you going to abandon your beautiful little 3yo princess to shoot it out with this BG?"


Life shouldn't be treated as a war zone and awareness surely is a most effective defense, but:

Being honest and getting realistic: the bad guy will have just acquired a set of problems all his own if I'm compelled to draw. I have choices and am not required to be screwed.

Yes, if gun-fighting is required then gun-fighting will happen, except it will be with a Smith & Wesson Model 10 or Colt Detective Special.

Depending on the situation, gun-fighting could be a superior choice to abandoning the 3-year-old princess to fend for her own safety. Luby's in Killeen, Texas comes to mind.

After all...

"Protect your own, protect others...
honor, trust, courage & honesty!"

Other than your choice of guns, I agree with this. I see way more accidental shootings than I see defensive shootings. I see more intentional homicides involving drugs or gangs than I see inside restaurants, parks or theaters.

I have actively carried due to work since 1966 and I have yet to see a zombie needing to be dispatched. I have never seen someone needing 10 rounds of ammo to defend them or thei family.

But if someone wants to carry and feel safer, I am all for it. But if they want to carry the proper gun, it will be a S&W 1911 in .45acp.

I am soooo happy my son is beyond Chuck E. Cheese age. In Texas, the place has to have a huge "no guns" sign at the entrance that meets legal requirements. All other small anti-gun signs are summarily ignored.

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Well, maybe he is, maybe he isn't, or maybe he is just aware of the danger an individual with a gun poses in a crowded place when that person may or may not have a cool head, and may or may not be an expert with the weapon.

I've lived in Indiana all my life. I have known quite a few troopers and have respect for the ISP as an organization, in general. I do think the organization over the years has been "reasonable," but possibly tilted toward the dark side of the gun issue. This is probably just natural for them, considering that by definition when they come into contact with firearms, it is almost certainly because someone has done something wrong with one, and of course, because they take directions from their political masters.

I would not be too hard on that officer, if he was polite to me. He has a right to conduct his personal life as he sees fit. I usually appreciate hearing the "opinions" of police officers. Sometimes they are wrong and I ignore them, but they are like the rest of us - just guys doing their job (hopefully honorably) and entitled to their opinion - as long as they do not confuse that with law. This fellow didn't seem to be doing that.

Out of curiosity, is this one of the responses that the voices in your head are telling you.

I am concerned that when a business doesn't allow my firearm in their business, I must leave it in the car and have a risk of it being stolen and used in crimes. As a responsible citizen that is a terrible choice to be forced to make.

That thought concerns me, more then the thought of any "issues while inside" chuckie cheese.

As much as I appreciate your condescending and rude banter about voices... grow up man...

Now to speak to your foolish response about an unsecured 'firearm' in your vehicle.
Shame on you for putting your bad behavior and unresponsible outcome
on the business that has denied your CC rights in their establishment.

Are you honestly telling me that if you do not plan for your 'firearms' security
then they are responsible for that...
There are many placed, in our communities, that our firearm's are not allowed;
either by law, or the owners of the business. (like it or not, speak to your legislator)

With this said, YOU need to plan for the security of your firearm....
(in this application) they are called car safes.....
Google can assist in this remedial education and corrective behavior: Google

Enjoy your new knowledge, and welcome to the responsibility of being not only a firearm owner...
but now a responsible firearm owner... your welcome.

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Here in MN, the only people who patronize Chuck-E-Cheeze are the people I support with my taxes.

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Even the Wall Street Journal has taken notice of the CEC problem.
Here is a link
Calling All Cars: Trouble at Chuck E. Cheese's, Again - WSJ.com

It's a national policy at CEC and they aren't wavering.

Too many companies are trying to become gun free. Too bad, They'll be the first ones on the BG's list of safe places to rob or terrorize.

I thought the gun was in the mens room behind the toilet tank. Leave the gun....take the cannoli

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Or let me know ahead of time, I'll go in first and tape a gun to the back of the toilet, you go in to pee and come out blazing. I'll only charge you a cheezz pizza for this service.

My daughter was having a baby so I took the other two grandkids to Chuck E Cheese in Tucson. I also talked to the manager who did not seem to give a darn about my concerns.

I will be writing a letter to coorporate as well.

As for the Officer, I am very dissappointed. I also support Law Enforcement and was a Deputy myself for awhile.

He has probably not seen what most Officers see.

I live in Roswell, New Mexico and am a founding member of the Second Ammendement Task Force there. We are changing minds on businesses that ban firearms. We are making a difference there.

Let keep up the fight.

I was in Roswell last June. Nice town. We've all got to stand for our rights in one way or another or the big government toadies are going to run us over.

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I have seen over the years in the department a few LEO's that are against people carrying firearms concealed, except themselves of course. As for me, I have been in a few scrapes that could have gone bad real fast if not for luck. I have seen a couple of near stabbings when I was younger and I refuse to let my wife and son be in a situation where if something bad happened my gun was safe in the car. (Anyone remember the Luby's Cafe shooting?) I am never worried about me personally even though I see quite a few ex-inmates in public, only twice have any ever given me a hard time, most are pretty respectful. One time one started flapping his lips while I was with the wife and son so I had them go the other way while I made sure this guy couldn't follow them. Had this guy tried something, given he was the more violent type, then yes things could have gone downhill. However I am always more concerned about being in the wrong place at the wrong time with someone else. You never know when someone could have just gotten fired, had one of those delusions of grandeur and decided that life isn't worth living type of things. If some business wants to pull this "No firearms allowed" type of ****, my business goes elsewhere. If something bad happens in their establishment because of it, and I hope it doesn't, then I would make sure that the public knows about that policy, and that one person could have made a difference if they had been allowed to. As for me, I won't risk my wife and son's safety if at all possible.

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By law if a bussiness wants to keep out licensed handgun owners they have to post 2 signs one in english & one in spanish . Following rules of penal code 30.06 . Can be also by written or oral communication . A picture of a gun with circle & bar thurough it , don't fly here.

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God Bless our Country & Family

submitted a message to the CEC ppl.
A nice e-mail stateing what we have all shared here.
in a very professional and respectful manner.
I just wish the masses would understand that law abiding citizen
are not the ones we should force 'not to carry'...
as the bg's dont listen to those directive....
thus the label "bad guys".

Chuck E. Cheese - Company Info - Contact Us
make your voice heard... but please be respectful...
and not just emotional and crazy..

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I suspect that the "No CCW" policy comes partly from the Liberal Owners who listen to their corporate Lawyers: "If we allow guns and a patron gets shot even accidentally by a Carrier, then the Company can be sued for not banning weapons. If we ban them, we're off the hook." Concealed is concealed and no one knows. I've dined at that Lubys in Killeen and know the story well. I've heard it is no longer there.

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Term limits!

ANY LEO that does not carry "off duty" should be FIRED.

Once upon a time it was required, most places.

I know several incidents where LEO's either did not have a gun, or had a "little" gun with no extra ammo, that got involved in a situation, that they barely survived... Many of them came to me, and I heled them pick a "Mo Betta" off duty gun and carry system...

IF I was a Chief, and I found out one of my officers did not carry "off duty" I would FIRE them on the spot...

EVERY Citizen, with a clean record should get a CHL, and carry 100% of the time...