Illinois FOID card....

[G-Mac]

My son just received his FOID card in the State of Illinois. What exactly does that allow him to do or possess? Would it be legal for me to drive to Illinois and deliver a couple of long guns to him that I've been keeping for him? Or, would they have to go through an FFL?

[Buford57]

He can buy and possess firearms and ammunition in Illinois. Possession by a non-resident (you) of a firearm to bring it to him is stickier, and there is also federal law to consider. Are these guns he owned while a resident of NY or your guns you want to give to him?

See this from the State Police Firearms Services Bureau.

https://verify.ispfsb.com/Public/Verification.aspx

Depending on where he lives in Illinois there are FFLs who would handle the transfer for fees ranging from nominal to exorbitant.



If he is in the Chicago area, PM me and I can provide the FFL who handles out of state transfers for me. I don't pay exorbitant fees.

[Rpg]

I’ve still got the Illinois FOID card I obtained as an undergraduate in 1970.

As a Colorado native, I found it a bit silly.

[G-Mac]

Originally Posted by Buford57

Are these guns he owned while a resident of NY or your guns you want to give to him?

A couple of long guns are his that I have been holding for him. I also want to give him one of my handguns. I would be sending the handgun FFL to FFL.

[balin]

I left illinois in1986 and had never heard of a FOID card. I came in contact with game wardens and state police and sheriff's purchased ammo and no one ever asked to see mine.i lived in the far western part of the state so that have been the reason why no one cared.

[Muss Muggins]

The FOID card system was created in 1968.

Originally Posted by balin

I left illinois in1986 and had never heard of a FOID card. I came in contact with game wardens and state police and sheriff's purchased ammo and no one ever asked to see mine.i lived in the far western part of the state so that have been the reason why no one cared.

[ispcapt]

You do not need to go thru an FFL. They're his guns. You're just delivering them to him. You can drive to IL and deliver them. It's that simple.
The FOID card allows him to possess and buy guns and ammo.
IL gun laws are not as onerous as the uninformed internet crowd make them sound. No registration. No magazine bans. No assault weapon bans.
As Muss said FOID has been in effect since 1968.

[max503]

Originally Posted by ispcapt

You do not need to go thru an FFL. They're his guns. You're just delivering them to him. You can drive to IL and deliver them. It's that simple.
The FOID card allows him to possess and buy guns and ammo.
IL gun laws are not as onerous as the uninformed internet crowd make them sound. No registration. No magazine bans. No assault weapon bans.
As Muss said FOID has been in effect since 1968.

I got my first FOID card in 1968 as a pre-teen. It's no big deal.

I think it is basically all for show. So the politicians can say they are doing something.

[ispcapt]

Originally Posted by max503

I got my first FOID card in 1968 as a pre-teen. It's no big deal.
I think it is basically all for show. So the politicians can say they are doing something.

I got mine in 1968 also.
FOID was implemented as a compromise. For those of us old enough to remember recall what was going on in the 1960s. JFK, RFK, MLK shot and killed. Riots all over the country, some against the war, some against racial inequality, some probably never had a real reason. Lots of violence and turmoil in the US. In the mid 1960s there were some in the IL legislature pushing for registering firearms and other major restrictions. Some legislators were adamantly opposed to any form of registration. The legislature was so split that the gun registration/banning types knew they couldn't get a bill thru they wanted. But those opposed weren't real sure they could hold together to keep some form of firearm registration from passing. As a result FOID was a compromise. No firearm registration, gun owners get a FOID card.
What was also included in the FOID law is a paragraph on how the voters can get the FOID act removed.
(430 ILCS 65/16) (from Ch. 38, par. 83-16)
Sec. 16. When 2% of the number of registered voters in the State desire to pass upon the question of whether the General Assembly should repeal this Act regulating the acquisition, possession and transfer of firearms and firearm ammunition, they shall, at least 78 days before a regular election to be held throughout the State, file in the office of the State Board of Elections, a petition directed to the Board in accordance with the general election law. The petition shall be composed of county petitions from each of the counties throughout the State and each county petition shall contain the signatures of at least 2% of the number of registered voters in the county. The petition shall request that the question "Should the General Assembly repeal the Act entitled 'An Act relating to the acquisition, possession and transfer of firearms and firearm ammunition, to provide a penalty for the violation thereof and to make an appropriation in connection therewith,' approved August 3, 1967, as amended?" be submitted to the voters of the State at the next ensuing State-wide election at which such question may be acted upon.
(Source: P.A. 81-1489.)

[Tu_S]

To answer your question, the Firearm Owner Id card just allows him to have a firearm in IL, buy one in the state, and buy ammo, that's it. Being from WI, it's what someone is allowed to do, but not have a card to do it.

As far as you giving him a firearm, you didn't bring up anything specific, but for the most part your fine unless he lives in Chicago or some of the suburbs close to the city, where the local laws get kind of strange in terms of what they are, and how they are enforced. As long as it's not an assault rifle or something like one that you hear about in the news you shouldn't have a problem.

Now if you're giving him a braced AR pistol and he lives in IL, along what has been proposed and will probably go into place after the elections, that's a different problem that you can start a new post about

[geen]

Originally Posted by ispcapt

You do not need to go thru an FFL. They're his guns. You're just delivering them to him. You can drive to IL and deliver them. It's that simple.
The FOID card allows him to possess and buy guns and ammo.
IL gun laws are not as onerous as the uninformed internet crowd make them sound. No registration. No magazine bans. No assault weapon bans.
As Muss said FOID has been in effect since 1968.

Unless you live in Cook County which has a Clinton era style ASB. and Chicago that has a 15 round mag limit. Many towns have ASBs also.

[heeter3]

If I recall ,when I lived there you and the buyer or person transferred to must maintain a bill of sale or record of transfer identifying both of you ,the gun make type and caliber and its serial number for 10 years as required by the state.

[Tu_S]

Originally Posted by heeter3

If I recall ,when I lived there you and the buyer or person transferred to must maintain a bill of sale or record of transfer identifying both of you ,the gun make type and caliber and its serial number for 10 years as required by the state.

While the rules seem to be different everywhere these days, for private sales and transfers in IL you don't have to do or keep track of anything, which is one of the things the politicians are going after.

[Rlg#17]

Originally Posted by Tu_S

While the rules seem to be different everywhere these days, for private sales and transfers in IL you don't have to do or keep track of anything, which is one of the things the politicians are going after.

Wrong. A person that transfers to another person in Illinois MUST keep a record of the details of the transaction for 10 years. Also, before the transfer they have to call the ISP and conduct a background check on the individual they are considering transferring the firearm to.

I can provide the appropriate ILCS for your review if you wish.

Regards, Rick Gibbs

[ispcapt]

Originally Posted by Rlg#17

Wrong. A person that transfers to another person in Illinois MUST keep a record of the details of the transaction for 10 years. Also, before the transfer they have to call the ISP and conduct a background check on the individual they are considering transferring the firearm to.
I can provide the appropriate ILCS for your review if you wish.
Regards, Rick Gibbs

The way the OP posted in #1 it reads like the guns are his son's guns who now lives in IL and dad was just holding on to them. That being the case the guns are not transferring ownership.

[geen]

Originally Posted by Rlg#17

Wrong. A person that transfers to another person in Illinois MUST keep a record of the details of the transaction for 10 years. Also, before the transfer they have to call the ISP and conduct a background check on the individual they are considering transferring the firearm to.

I can provide the appropriate ILCS for your review if you wish.

Regards, Rick Gibbs

Rick the ISP now have an online FOID check that you can do in about 30 sec. it's one of the things they do well. the online check also gives you a trasaction record with buyer and seller info. I add a couple of more details and use it as a type of bill of sale.

[G-Mac]

Originally Posted by ispcapt

The way the OP posted in #1 it reads like the guns are his son's guns who now lives in IL and dad was just holding on to them. That being the case the guns are not transferring ownership.

To be specific, the long guns are a Henry Lever Action Youth .22LR and a New England Firearms single shot shotgun. I would like to give him one of my handguns, but I would have to send that FFL to FFL. To remove ("dispose of") a handgun from my New York State Pistol Permit requires a receipt showing that I gave it to an FFL dealer.

[cda322]

You should be fine if the guns are unloaded, cased, and inaccessible. Out of state folks sometimes get tripped up if they’re passing through and carrying, but if you transport as noted, you shouldn’t have any issues.

[Tu_S]

Originally Posted by Rlg#17

Wrong. A person that transfers to another person in Illinois MUST keep a record of the details of the transaction for 10 years. Also, before the transfer they have to call the ISP and conduct a background check on the individual they are considering transferring the firearm to.

I can provide the appropriate ILCS for your review if you wish.

Regards, Rick Gibbs

Had to check up on this, and you are correct.

Of course I'm in my early 50's, and don't remember anyone actually going through the process I just read about, although all the "sales/transfers" I know about are between friends and family, where I personally have several guns from the family collection that technically would be my Dad's, and that number is going to go up as he passed away on Saturday.

[Billylee]

Back in the late 90’s, when the 696 first came out, I stopped at the Bass Pro store in Gurney, IL. I approached the gun counter, saw they had one on display, and asked to see it. I was asked if I had a FOID card, answered no, I’m from Wisconsin just here visiting relatives. I was informed that I had to have the FOID card to handle the gun! If I’m an out of state resident why would I get said card…answer…because it’s the law. Been to Illinois many times since, even have an I-Pass for the tolls, but have never entered another sporting goods store in that state. Picked up my 696 about two months later when my lgs had them in stock.

[ispcapt]

Originally Posted by Billylee

Back in the late 90’s, when the 696 first came out, I stopped at the Bass Pro store in Gurney, IL. I approached the gun counter, saw they had one on display, and asked to see it. I was asked if I had a FOID card, answered no, I’m from Wisconsin just here visiting relatives. I was informed that I had to have the FOID card to handle the gun! If I’m an out of state resident why would I get said card…answer…because it’s the law. Been to Illinois many times since, even have an I-Pass for the tolls, but have never entered another sporting goods store in that state. Picked up my 696 about two months later when my lgs had them in stock.

The clerk at Bass Pro was wrong. Being an out of state resident not only do you not need a FOID, you can't get a FOID. FOID only applies to IL residents. All you would have needed to do is show your out of state DL or some other official ID and you could have handled any firearm.
Lesson # 1 when dealing with any gun shop. Clerks know absolutely nothing about the law. They're minimum wage employees and only do what their boss tells them. And their boss is only a few dollars above minimum wage and knows nothing about the law either.

[Sharpshooter82]

I find this intresting as a gun owner from England , the FOID card is similar to the UK FAC (firearms certificate ) except that we have registration and you have to put down how much ammo you want to have for each calibre

Also countary to what the liberals tell you , it’s a qualified right and everyone who who has land or access to a range and is not a felon or suffering from mental problems will get an FAC

[Rlg#17]

Originally Posted by geen

Rick the ISP now have an online FOID check that you can do in about 30 sec. it's one of the things they do well. the online check also gives you a trasaction record with buyer and seller info. I add a couple of more details and use it as a type of bill of sale.

Thanks for the reminder on that. The wife and I used in when we were still living up that way a few times before we escaped there several years ago. Illinois is getting worse every day. I used to have an ffl and do quite a few shows in the Chicago area back in the 70’s and 80’s. Good times back then.

Regards, Rick Gibbs

[max503]

Back around '73 we used to make phony I.D.'s out of the FOID applications. Drinking age in Wisconsin was 18. It was 21 in Illinois. People up there weren't familiar with what a real FOID card looked like. It worked every time in Wisconsin. Only time it didn't was when my friend tried to use it to buy beer in a Pizza Hut in Northern Illinois. The bartender pulled out his FOID and showed my friend what a real one looked like.