One in the Chamber

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Obviously best practice when carrying is keeping one ready in the chamber. My question to everyone is how often do you dechamber that round? And when you dechamber round What do you do with round to avoid setback. Do u put it back on top of mag or cycle ammo in mag or what? I've done some studying up on how putting that round back on top of mag and chambering it again and again causes bullet setback. Consequences can be severe and costly.
 
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I keep a JHP round chambered at all times. The only times I remove the chambered round is if I am training, and don't want to fire that round. My defense ammo is all hollow point (JHP), whereas my training ammo is full metal jacket (FMJ). I load (and prefer) Hornady Critical Duty because it is specially designed to help prevent setback. The unchamberred round is then placed "lower" in the carry magazine so that a fresh round is chambered when I'm ready. Only other time I remove the round is when cleaning my gun.
 
I make sure I don't keep re-chambering the same round. I usually unload the round in the chamber by pressing the trigger at the range. Every quarter I try and use up the service ammo I've been carrying in my sidearm and duty mags and replace with fresh stuff.
 
I have a plastic ammo box that I have marked "range use" and when I need to de-chamber a round, I put it in this box. Once I have chambered a round from the magazine, I don't re-chamber it until I am at the range.

Now, I've read conflicting reports about loading a round directly into the chamber, versus loading it from the magazine. Some say it harms the extractor, while others say it is isn't an issue with external extractors like it is with internal extractors. (I don't know for sure, but I don't do it.) I saw my local gun smith do it, after he handed me his personal SIG P239 to handle; he dropped the round he had removed from the chamber before letting me look at the gun, right back into the chamber. His opinion was that it didn't hurt external extractors, and that it prevented the bullet setback issue from repeatedly re-chambering the same round from the magazine. He said he wouldn't do in on a 1911 (or any other gun) with an internal extractor.
 
Now, I've read conflicting reports about loading a round directly into the chamber, versus loading it from the magazine. Some say it harms the extractor, while others say it is isn't an issue with external extractors like it is with internal extractors. (I don't know for sure, but I don't do it.) I saw my local gun smith do it, after he handed me his personal SIG P239 to handle; he dropped the round he had removed from the chamber before letting me look at the gun, right back into the chamber. His opinion was that it didn't hurt external extractors, and that it prevented the bullet setback issue from repeatedly re-chambering the same round from the magazine. He said he wouldn't do in on a 1911 (or any other gun) with an internal extractor.

I won't do it with either type...the way I see it, the weapon was designed to feed from the magazine and have the cartridge rim slide up under the extractor hook rather than snap over the top. Why chance it? Besides, it gives me another opportunity to practice a mag exchange.
 
Once I've chambered a round it stays there unless I need to clean or secure the piece. If for whatever reason I need to unload it I stand it next to a factory fresh round to check for set back, if it still mikes out, it goes back on top the mag and gets re-chambered.
You should shoot your carry ammo(what's in your mags) once a year and put fresh in, unless its exposed to the elements or sweat. Most ammo is waterproof, but sweat is salt based and it can corrode your brass or what's know as verdigris. And you should train with your carry ammunition too. Dale
 
I carry a Glock 23 most of the time, and it stays loaded. I haven't cleaned it for 450 rounds. I do add lube; Slip 2000 EWL as needed--this is the only time I unload it. I may clean it when it reaches 500 rounds, we'll see. I chamber a round once from the magazine, and after it comes out it gets relegated to practice.

I bought another Glock 23 to use for dry fire, range practice, and as a back up.
 
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I unload at the end of each day since my Semi-auto is not my nightstand gun. And I usually just put that round back on top of the magazine, but now after reading this I don't think that is a good idea so that ends today. I like to rotate between two 13 round magazines that I have for my XD monthly, I thought that springs could lose their springyness for a while before a thread convinced me otherwise. I buy a new box of JHP every 6 months usually from Doubletap since my friend works for them, swears by them, and I get a discount. I lube weekly a little, and clean everything once a month just to keep it all in working order. Though on Sundays everything gets unloaded anyways for dry-fire practice.
 
Carry gun is different than my carry most of the time, I unload it everything I get home and put tin the safe. I inspect the chamber round and if it seems good it stays the chamber round. Once issues on the rim are present it gets shoot of at the range, I have had some really buggered up rounds fire just fine. Yes, I carry one in the chamber in the 4013.

"Bump n the night" gun is different. Nothing in the chamber but a full mag. I want to be awake enough to chamber a round before I decide I need to shoot. If someone is that far in my house,past the k9 alarm system, to the point I need to be quick draw McGraw I am I other trouble. Also something to be said about hearing that 4566 slide getting cycled nice and loud and obvious.

No matter what, be prepared my friends.
TD
 
Carry gun is different than my carry most of the time, I unload it everything I get home and put tin the safe. I inspect the chamber round and if it seems good it stays the chamber round. Once issues on the rim are present it gets shoot of at the range, I have had some really buggered up rounds fire just fine. Yes, I carry one in the chamber in the 4013.

"Bump n the night" gun is different. Nothing in the chamber but a full mag. I want to be awake enough to chamber a round before I decide I need to shoot. If someone is that far in my house,past the k9 alarm system, to the point I need to be quick draw McGraw I am I other trouble. Also something to be said about hearing that 4566 slide getting cycled nice and loud and obvious.

No matter what, be prepared my friends.
TD

Your "noise" will do nothing but let them know exactly where you are. To each their own. But I will never be caught without one in the chamber. And if God forbid my wife gets to my gun first, the last thing I want is for her to have to chamber a round. YMMV;)
 
All guns in my safe are loaded at all times. I only unload weapons for cleaning. Dry fire routines are conducted using a revolver instead of semi-auto, because mastering the DA trigger lets you easily master anything else and because I don't want to have to repeatedly re-chamber rounds in my semi-autos. If I do need to unload my semi-auto and then reload it, I won't re-chamber the same round more than two or three times and I inspect it every time before reloading.

-Rob
 
Some round/weapon combinations are really prone to set back and resulting high pressure catastrophic failures - Glocks in 40 are a prime example. I almost never run a round back into the chamber if it has been chambered once and removed. As a rule, this should NEVER be done with an AR platform, as there have been problems with the light strikes of chambering desensitizing the primer. A serious pistol should never be unloaded except for maintenance; if you have concerns because of kids in your home, wear it on your person. If you have to remove a round from the chamber for some odd reason, it goes in the training pile.

I almost never clean a firearm unless I have been shooting or will be storing for a long period. Gun cleaning is not something that should be treated as a sacrament; most folks do it too much and it serves no good purpose. Again, this is especially true of the AR platform. If you have learned the white glove approach, pay someone to head slap you until you recover. An AR might need parts inspection every 5K rounds, but it surely does not need cleaning that often. Run it wet. I've seen ARs with 20K+ rounds that have never been cleaned, and have never malfed. (A failure in the cycle of operation is a malfunction - jam goes on toast.) 10 minutes with some SLIP 2000, a couple of paper towels, a couple patches for wiping small places, a bore snake if you are too anal like me, and some SLIP EWL in the right places, and your AR should be good to go for another several thousand rounds with just added lube.

When I got my issued G21, I ran a few rounds of ball and a bunch of duty ammo through it. Over 700 rounds in a few days, and I never cleaned it until I was done. If it had malfed from being dirty (as opposed to to dry) in so few rounds, I would consider it defective. I've done similar with a 1911 (A Yam 10-8 package on a Springfield) and a Wilson KZ-9. Same analysis.
 
Some round/weapon combinations are really prone to set back and resulting high pressure catastrophic failures - Glocks in 40 are a prime example. I almost never run a round back into the chamber if it has been chambered once and removed. As a rule, this should NEVER be done with an AR platform, as there have been problems with the light strikes of chambering desensitizing the primer. A serious pistol should never be unloaded except for maintenance; if you have concerns because of kids in your home, wear it on your person. If you have to remove a round from the chamber for some odd reason, it goes in the training pile.

I almost never clean a firearm unless I have been shooting or will be storing for a long period. Gun cleaning is not something that should be treated as a sacrament; most folks do it too much and it serves no good purpose. Again, this is especially true of the AR platform. If you have learned the white glove approach, pay someone to head slap you until you recover. An AR might need parts inspection every 5K rounds, but it surely does not need cleaning that often. Run it wet. I've seen ARs with 20K+ rounds that have never been cleaned, and have never malfed. (A failure in the cycle of operation is a malfunction - jam goes on toast.) 10 minutes with some SLIP 2000, a couple of paper towels, a couple patches for wiping small places, a bore snake if you are too anal like me, and some SLIP EWL in the right places, and your AR should be good to go for another several thousand rounds with just added lube.

When I got my issued G21, I ran a few rounds of ball and a bunch of duty ammo through it. Over 700 rounds in a few days, and I never cleaned it until I was done. If it had malfed from being dirty (as opposed to to dry) in so few rounds, I would consider it defective. I've done similar with a 1911 (A Yam 10-8 package on a Springfield) and a Wilson KZ-9. Same analysis.

They only time I clean a carry gun is of course after a range session but also with guns that I pocket carry. Lint is an enemy. And it's amazing how much gets in there.:eek:
 
I clear my pistol daily. After clearing, I wipe it with an old oily rag.

I use the same load for everything (hand loading is great: who can afford to shoot if you're paying retail?) so I know what it's supposed to look like. I routinely look at the round I've cleared. If it's banged up (maybe once a month) it goes in an empty mag.

My drill is to load from the magazine, then top off the mag.
 
Some round/weapon combinations are really prone to set back and resulting high pressure catastrophic failures - Glocks in 40 are a prime example. I almost never run a round back into the chamber if it has been chambered once and removed. As a rule, this should NEVER be done with an AR platform, as there have been problems with the light strikes of chambering desensitizing the primer. A serious pistol should never be unloaded except for maintenance; if you have concerns because of kids in your home, wear it on your person. If you have to remove a round from the chamber for some odd reason, it goes in the training pile.

I almost never clean a firearm unless I have been shooting or will be storing for a long period. Gun cleaning is not something that should be treated as a sacrament; most folks do it too much and it serves no good purpose. Again, this is especially true of the AR platform. If you have learned the white glove approach, pay someone to head slap you until you recover. An AR might need parts inspection every 5K rounds, but it surely does not need cleaning that often. Run it wet. I've seen ARs with 20K+ rounds that have never been cleaned, and have never malfed. (A failure in the cycle of operation is a malfunction - jam goes on toast.) 10 minutes with some SLIP 2000, a couple of paper towels, a couple patches for wiping small places, a bore snake if you are too anal like me, and some SLIP EWL in the right places, and your AR should be good to go for another several thousand rounds with just added lube.

When I got my issued G21, I ran a few rounds of ball and a bunch of duty ammo through it. Over 700 rounds in a few days, and I never cleaned it until I was done. If it had malfed from being dirty (as opposed to to dry) in so few rounds, I would consider it defective. I've done similar with a 1911 (A Yam 10-8 package on a Springfield) and a Wilson KZ-9. Same analysis.

During the Great Southeastern Asia Games, the US Army conducted some experiments - actually, it wasn't supposed to be an experiment, it was the introduction of the M16 and it didn't go so well. Some, but certainly not all, of the problems were resolved by the introduction of the M16A1.

I knew several people who preferred an AK to an M16 because the 16 had let them down so many times.

My experience was that a clean weapon still occasionally malfunctioned, just not as often as a not-clean weapon. The Army's recommendation, and our common practice, was basically to clean continuously - not just after firing, but any dust, mud or crud of any type.

I'm told that later models were/are less problematic. I don't know if that is true as I've been a little turned off by them and haven't picked one up since 1974, but the cleaning habit remains. I've never had a problem with over cleaning of any weapon. I don't know how dirty my 3d Gens would have to get to malfunction, but I'm not anxious to find out.

YMMV
 
My question to everyone is how often do you dechamber that round? And when you dechamber round What do you do with round to avoid setback. Do u put it back on top of mag or cycle ammo in mag or what?

If you're in the habit of constantly loading and unloading your pistol, keep a micrometer handy and inspect the round before using it again. Don't forget to check the rim. Some extractors do quite a bit of damage to the rim and could cause feeding problems if the round is re-used.
 
I almost never un chamber. Only when at the range to use fmj and sometimes at work when i have to go somewhere where a gun is prohibited. I dont want to leave a loaded gun laying around. I field strip it (glock) and hide to frame, slide, mag & ammo in different places.

When i chamber i use the next round in the mag and to off the mag with the original chambered round

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