Q for Cops who carried Dump pouches

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Hi guys -

I just picked up an old NIB Shoemaker Double Dump pouch, steel lined interior so that the rounds don't stick.
One thing I noticed is that while walking the rounds make alot of noise.

Was this normal during your time of using them, or did you silence them in some way?

Thanks!
 
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I think the all-leather double dump pouch I was issued was made by Earl Ginn. No rattle. I used speedstrips in mine, though, as I saw no advantage to carrying them loose.
 
The earliest kind dumped AND unsnapped from the bottom. I'm sure lots of them came open and dumped when the wearer didn't want them to dump. So someone came up with the brilliant idea to hinge them at the bottom and unsnap from the top (plus you could tape a hidden handcuff key to the back).

I used the bottom hinge style. My cartridges didn't rattle. I don't see why you couldn't stick a piece of foam in there to help push them toward the opening and reduce movement.

Stick a cigarette butt in the bottom for you smokers. Joint for you Colorado LEOs. Dip o' Skoal for you southern cops.


Sgt Lumpy
 
Good idea on the extra round Jimmy. This one wont fit a speedstrip.

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Yep, an added benefit to JimmyJ's extra round if you were a bit fumbled fingered you could drop one and still load six.
Guess we could have called it a "tactical" 7th round, in those days we just thought it made sense or was an easy solution to a "lil" problem.... Bob
 
We were issued the all leather kind and before speed strips we just stuffed as many rounds as possible in each one. I was able to get about eight rounds in each pouch but fumbling w/them as they came out was not a good thing. Earlier loop reloaders were better. We trained to load two at a time from the loops by rotating the empty cylinder to the left and drop in two at a time.
 
All I can remember about dump pouches is when they finally perfected the speed-loader, my dad was happy as hell, he HATED those dump pouches and preferred the cartridge loops on the belt.
 
During the first half of my law enforcement career (thou shalt carry a revolver, and only a revolver) I used dump pouches for quite a while, until I had to try and reload my revolver while crouching down behind a patrol car in the dark with bullets flying all around me, and found out how incredibly difficult it is to hold and manipulate 6 rounds in one hand and actually get them into the cylinder. Went to a 12-round cartridge loop carrier on the belt, trained myself to withdraw and load two rounds at a time without too much fumbling. Then the Bianchi SpeedStrips came out, which I still think highly of just because they do away with the fumbling and dropping cartridges problem, and they work quite nicely in properly sized drop pouches. Along came the HKS speedloaders, which are great except for use in revolvers with larger grips that give untold grief to those trying to use speedloaders, and speedloaders in pouches are a little bulky on the belt.

Nothing is perfect, I suppose. Each little innovation seems to overcome part(s) of a problem while frequently bringing about new problems.

Not a cop any more so my requirements are a bit different. When I carry a revolver nowadays I like either a 2X2X2 pouch or cartridge loops, either of which allow me to control the cartridges much easier than having a handfull of them drop into my hand (hopefully) from a drop pouch (much easier to do calmly at the range dealing with the "paper man" than it is to do under any combat conditions).

My $0.02 worth.
 
I hated those 38 caliber bullet pouches. I did much better reloading when the department lined them with metal stripes. I don't remember them rattling much during daily use. Of course they rattled if you shook your duty belt. Too bad today's officers never experienced the revolver/bullet pouch days of qualification.
 
I never liked them, either. Too easy to pop open in a tussle. Same reason we never wore real ties, and wore the Sam Browne shoulder strap only in parades: anything somebody can grab in a fight, he or she will grab. I too preferred the cartridge loops. If I recall, mine had a sewn-in strip of leather that tilted the rounds outward slightly and made them easier to get at.
 
I used the dump pouches as a cop in the Air Force. Hated them with a passion but had no option. The issue pouch was too small to use with a speed strip. When I started working as a reserve cop off base I went to Safariland Comp II's carried in a split-six carrier backed up by two speed strips in my shirt pocket.
 
In Detroit we did it this way back then...

Hi,

In the mid 70s, we were issued the pouches that opened from the top and the bottom by snaps. There were no speed loaders or pouches allowed or available if I remember correctly?

We were told to take them home over the weekend and soak them in water until the leather was pliable. Then use some plastic to line the inside of the pouches and then stuff as many rounds as possible into the pouches and snap them shut. Let it dry to its larger size.

It was the common thought that with the stress of a gunfight, you would drop some of the loose rounds anyway during the re-load. If you did, you might be lucky enough to have 5 or 6 left and if you didn't, then you had the benefit on more available rounds.

I was thrilled when speedloaders started showing up!!!!!!!!!!!!

D
 
During the first half of my law enforcement career (thou shalt carry a revolver, and only a revolver) I used dump pouches for quite a while, until I had to try and reload my revolver while crouching down behind a patrol car in the dark with bullets flying all around me, and found out how incredibly difficult it is to hold and manipulate 6 rounds in one hand and actually get them into the cylinder. Went to a 12-round cartridge loop carrier on the belt, trained myself to withdraw and load two rounds at a time without too much fumbling. Then the Bianchi SpeedStrips came out, which I still think highly of just because they do away with the fumbling and dropping cartridges problem, and they work quite nicely in properly sized drop pouches. Along came the HKS speedloaders, which are great except for use in revolvers with larger grips that give untold grief to those trying to use speedloaders, and speedloaders in pouches are a little bulky on the belt.

Nothing is perfect, I suppose. Each little innovation seems to overcome part(s) of a problem while frequently bringing about new problems.

Not a cop any more so my requirements are a bit different. When I carry a revolver nowadays I like either a 2X2X2 pouch or cartridge loops, either of which allow me to control the cartridges much easier than having a handfull of them drop into my hand (hopefully) from a drop pouch (much easier to do calmly at the range dealing with them

My $0.02 worth.

My first "Speed Loaders" were "Dade" that had a large knob on the rear. This design allowed the speed loader, when dropped to hit on the knob and all six rounds flew in six different directions. When "HKS" Speed Loaders came forth on the market, the "Dades" were history
 
Most of my gun-carrying days seemed to involve an M1911A1 and magazine pouches. My later revolver toting (after retirement from the Army) initially involved speedloaders, but I trained to use dump pouches, too. I hate carrying speedstrips loose in my pockets, so I use my double dump pouches for concealed carry with 'em.

ECS
 
Another reason once again....that a back up gun alway's makes good sense.

Whoever designed the dump pouch (I have no clue) wasn't concerned with function, only form. The principle demand was to store and provide spare ammunition for the officer, period. The second demand was that it should be uniform in appearance. After that, practical deployment (real life reloading under fire) wasn't even a practical design consideration. I point to historical ammunition carriers, i.e. cartridge loops, typically used in the early 19th. century expansion of the American west on gunbelts, etc.. The design presumption was an ability to carry spare ammo to reload FROM COVER, for rifle, shotgun or handgun, which translated to the luxury of time and protection from enemy fire, while reloading. This was merely an extension of the sporting concept for conveniently carrying additional ammunition, such as in the instance of a hunter seeking game, and changed very little with no consideration of tactical applications in a gunfight for law enforcement. An exception may have been those early 19th. century hunters of dangerous game and their professional guides, who knew the value of having a "reload" in hand.

The dump pouch was merely a very minor improvement over the spare cartridge loop. From a design and engineering perspective it was little better than cartridge loops, but not by much. In fact, I believe the cartridge loop was superior, though more exposed to weather, especially given brass cartridges during the day, which suffered from verdigris in long term exposure to all kinds of weather. You old time street coppers know what I'm sayin'. Cartridge loops offered less potential fumbling. A box of extra ammo in the front seat of the radio car was just as helpful, providing you were in the car when you needed them.

Aside from having to qualify with a range reload, a second weapon or back up piece has always been a better solution to the fundamental challenge of reloading under fire. A well trained trooper (especially with a modern day auto loader) can get "re-heeled" in a milisecond. But with a revolver, especially, a second gun is the only way I would run.

Dump pouches were practical as spare ammo carrier's and that's all. If you had to carry them by regulation or department policy (I did) they were pretty useless. When I became a Sergeant, I remember inspecting service revolvers periodically and other equipment at the turnout or pre shift briefing before we turned out. There were guys who had so much verdigris on their chambered ammo, it was disgraceful, they couldn't even unload their ammo. The dump pouches, were even worse, green and stuck to the leather. Complacency, can make you dead, some got it.

Better to have than none at all I suppose, but speed loaders or spare magazines have always ruled the day in this century for a quick jump back into the fight. For me at least, it was always the 3rd. option....not the first....not the second.

By today's standard, the dump pouch is relegated to antiquity, from it's humble origin dating from the simple "possibles bag" drawstring pouch that contained spare lead projectiles from the days of flintlock rifles and muzzle loaders. Here's some good advice. Carry spare ammo, spare magazines, a speed strip or speedloader or two, but always carry a back up gun when travelling in harms way. I designed the New York Reload. What did you think I was going to say....hell yeah. Nuff' said.

Cheers;
Lefty
 
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I used to carry a speedloader pouch and a double dump pouch. I used to find myself out where backup was a long way away.

Safariland's double dump pouch had a plastic liner that would allow you to carry either 357 Mag or 44 Mag ammo. I found, with the insert removed, I could squeeze 10 or 11 rounds of 357 into each pouch. That let me carry different types of rounds when needed. Clunky to empty but comforting to carry the extra ammo.
 
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When "PPC" qualifications began with mandatory reloads under time is when it "Dawned" on Officers that reloading the weapon was REALLY, REALLY important. Up to the beginning of "PPC" qualifications was at 7, 15,25, and 50 yards with a lengthy time limit.. Also it was "Suggested" that a "BU" weapon should be of the same caliber as your primary.
 
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