Following retirement the wife allowed our move to New Mexico
so I could play cowboy for 12 years.
When New Mexico enacted their first CCW licenses, the applicant
had to qualify with each caliber to be carried and was restricted
to one handgun only.
I thought limiting to one gun was peculiar, as though the carrier
would probably use good judgement with only one gun but become crazier then an outhouse rat if allowed to carry two.

Billy

Blame Billy the Kid

No, IIRC, a lot of the honor should go to former state representative Heaton. And you're incorrect that this limitation was in existence when CCW was first passed - it came later.

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Out of curiosity, did ole Al offer any logical reason(s) for the limitations?
On second thought, scratch logical from the question...

JUST ANOTHER "FEEL GOOD" PIECE OF LEGISLATION ENACTED IN DEFIANCE OF ANY LOGIC, TO PANDER TO THE 2ND AMENDMENT OPPOSITION, FOR POLITICAL REASONS……..

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Didn't it take a vote in the overall State legislature and then a signature of the Governor? I suppose you can blame the one who introduced the idea but the sheep that supported it with their vote share the blame. And then there are the citizens of NM who keep them in office.

I agree it is dumb but it didn't become law just because one representative wanted it.

My NM permit states that you may carry the caliber that you qualified with or smaller. If you want to be permitted for revolver and auto loader, you must qualify with both. There is also a catagory for derringers.

Originally I had completed all application forms, fingerprints, qualified at range and awaiting issue of CCW when the then
Mayor of Albuquerque filed a law suit that jammed the entire
process, when that was finally resolved I went through the same
process and was issued the license, on the back of the license
it was stated only one handgun permitted to be carried.
Also, at the beginning they planned on listing each caliber and
whether revolver or pistol, later changed to largest caliber
qualified in either revolver or pistol.

Billy

Let me see if I understand you. Are you saying that if you want to carry a Derringer you have to qualify with it?

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YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY ON THE MONEY, SCONNIE. AREN'T THERE LOBBYISTS KEEPING TABS ON PENDING LEGISLATION ? ? ? DON'T THEY HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON BILLS AFTER THEY ARE INTRODUCED ? ? ? DIDN'T THE STATE NRA SOUND THE ALARM ON THIS ILL REASONED LAW ? ? ?

IN MY STATE, WHEN ANTI-GUN LEGISLATION BILLS ARE PENDING, WE ARE NOTIFIED BY OUR "2ND AMENDMENT COALITION"--A GROUP OF CITIZENS OF WHICH I AM A MEMBER. WE THEN STORM THE STATE HOUSE WITH BODIES, AND LINE UP TO TESTIFY AGAINST THE LEGISLATION AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE BURN UP THE TELEPHONE LINES TO OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND FLOOD THEIR IN BOXES WITH E-MAILS, VOICING OUR OPPOSITION--AND REMINDING THEM THAT WE VOTE ! ! ! SO FAR, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO AVERT ANY DISASTROUS ASSAULTS ON OUR 2A RIGHTS, BUT IT IS AN ONGOING BATTLE. I FEAR THAT THE GUN OWNERS OF NM HAVE FALLEN VICTIM TO THEIR OWN APATHY…...

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If the legislation says you may only carry one handgun, that's pretty clear. If the legislation says you can't carry two handguns, to me it means you may carry one handgun or three or more handguns. Just don''t carry two handguns!

I hope none of the lunatic legislators from NY are reading this. It sounds like something screwed up enough for them to embrace and pass in the middle of the night (you know, for the sake of the kids)!

I've got 3 pages of handguns of all types and calibers on my NYS CC permit and to date no "official" has ever asked me if I'm qualified or even remotely competent in their usage let alone seen me in action!!!

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THAT'S TANTAMOUNT TO GUN REGISTRATION---W/O THE SERIAL #S, I HOPE. IN MY STATE, YOU QUALIFY IN A CALIBER OF YOUR OWN CHOICE. YOU ARE THEN PERMITTED TO CARRY ANY WEAPON IN THAT CALIBER, OR SMALLER. THERE IS NO NEED TO LIST THE PARTICULAR FIREARM…………..

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NYS does not have "shall issue" CCW permits. Therefore, there is no qualification requirement except for armed security guards and retired LEOs if they wish to carry their handguns out of state and to be exempt from the 10-round magazine limitation.

Sounds like someone has been watching to many Yosemite Sam cartoons.

No disrespect intended to Sam.

If I understand what is being said, if you can qualify with 45 (Auto) then it's OK to cary any "Magnum" class with a smaller caliber, i.e. 44, 41, 357, 10mm etc. and should still be able to handle it??? of course if you could qualify with 460. Come to think of it 460 is 45 caliber. Anyway, If all this is true I guess moving to NM is out for me. Better make it Texas.

Just spent 4 months in MI, gun registration there is very strict!

I just learned as of 2013 in Texas you can qualify with any handgun (semi auto or revolver) and then carry any gun afterwards. .32ACP is still the smallest caliber you can test with, but you can carry more than one handgun as well.
Also, as of 2013, CHL renewal is a simple fee and electronic signature. No more retesting or going back to class. No gun registration either, aside from NFA stuff.

If I owned a gun range in NM that offered CCW training. I would make sure and have a S&W 500 and a Desert Eagle .50 available for rent to qualify. That should about handle everything but the derringer.

These politicians are severely lacking in the common sense department.

In NM, you can qualify with a .50 if you want and can carry anything up to that caliber. You must do so for both semi-auto and revolver and the CCW will state what your limits are for both. You can only carry one handgun on you at anytime. So a .45 auto and revolver qual on your CCW will cover anything up to .45 for either. I never paid much attention to the whole derringer question. But NM is still a heck of a lot better than MA.

I'm glad to live in a "free" state where I can carry one or 10 handguns of any caliber.

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That "one at a time" provision was added to the original law (passed after Mayor Baca's lawsuit was resolved); the one-gun provision was passed in 2005. Here's a link to the legislation making the changes:

New Mexico Legislature

Right here is where the changes were added to the version of the law that was already issuing valid licenses: http://www.nmlegis.gov/Sessions/05%2...HB0641GU1.html

I am involved in analyzing bills every year, so I am aware a lot of the foofaraw surrounding this issue came about because certain people were freaked out upon seeing certain CCW instructors making demonstrations about how many guns they were able to conceal. The freaked-out people went to their legislators, and the law was changed. Rep. Heaton carried the bill, it appears.

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What everyone does is qualify with a .45 ACP semiauto and revolver. I loan these out all the time to friends taking the test. I always offer to loan them a .45 ACP derringer as well, but no one's taken me up on it.

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Why don't you guys in NM just get a non-resident CCW from Arizona or some other state that has a license that allows you to carry what you want?

In Arizona you don't even have to shoot a qualification course...

Fox

In most respects, probably. OTOH, I am permitted to carry more than two or three guns, and as much ammo as I can find pre-ban "hi-caps" for, or speedloaders galore. And I can carry those guns (note the plural) just about anyplace except a school, and even there with the head honcho's written permission. MA has earned a bad reputation, but it's still not NJ or HI.

You don't list the firearm or the SNs - YOU JUST HAVE TO QUALIFY WITH THE TYPE OF ACTION YOU WANT TO CARRY IN A CALIBER THAT'S AS LARGE OR LARGER THAN WHAT YOU CARRY.

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I have heard that some people do.

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It's cool that you let people use your guns to qualify.

It never ceases to amaze me the lack of sense that goes into these laws. You can qualify with a 625 with target loads. So that means you can handle a 340PD with hot .357s.

Don't get me wrong I am against having to qualify to exercise a God given right. These people are just so out to lunch.

Thanks, man - I've been thinking lately that I really should stop doing this: if someone lost my 3" 625-3, for instance, I'd have a bear of a time replacing it.

As to the rest, I concur with your analysis.

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A state's conceal carry laws are what matter in that state, not the laws in the state that granted your permit.

For example, in NC we are allowed to carry a concealed handgun in a restaurant that serves alcohol. NM in contrast does not allow concealed carry in establishments licensed to sell alcohol.

If you travel to NC with your NM permit, since NM permits are honored in NC, you can conceal carry in NC, and you can do so in a restaurant that sells alcohol. NC won't care about where concealed carry is or is not allowed in NM. NC also won't care whether you're packing 1 gun or 2, as there is no restriction in NC.

NC is just going to be concerned that you honor NC's restrictions on concealed carry when you are in the state of NC with your NM permit.

The reverse is also true. If I travel to NM, I can conceal carry in NM as they honor my NC permit. However, I cannot carry in an establishment that sells alcohol as that violates the law in NM. Similarly, I need to leave my back up at home as NM law restricts me to one concealed carry handgun in NM, just like it does for NM permit holders. It does not matter what my permit allows back home in NC, what matters is that I follow NC law, as all my NC permit does is convey to me the same rights and restrictions that I would have with a NM concealed carry permit.

That's true for any permit honored under a reciprocity agreement - the permit holder is required and expected to know and obey the restrictions in the state they are in, not the state they are from.


If some people are misinformed enough to do that, some people are going to jail if they get caught doing that.

I don't think so. We get a bad rap because of the 10 round mag limit and the handgun import list. Reading about some of the outrageous hoops many of you have to jump through, I would say we might have it quite a bit better. I won't elaborate just in case someone is monitoring this. Nuff said.

Glad I live in Alaska. We can CC without a CCP. I got one for the reciprocity value and a hedge on future actions. No limit on number or caliber although from what I understand there used to be the qualification caliber limitation.

Hi Klyde
As a MA refugee, and former Mass State Police approved instructor, it only takes a 5 hour Home Firearms Safety class in MA; maybe you get to load/unload dummy rds into a firearm, never fire a live round you're OK for an LTC. BUT, your local chief, acting on behalf of God, determines if you get an LTC, whether it's class A or B, if you're suitable and what restrictions may be placed on you. A person in one town gets an unrestricted Class A, but a better trained person in the next town doesn't and gets a restricted Class B. Then we get into the 10 round mag issue, what is and approved firearm, assault weapon stuff, etc. That's why GOAL and Comm2A are so important to support.
I've seen firearms in NM shops that residents of MA can only hallucinate. And I can actually own them.

Okla is pretty simple, (prolly a good thing ) in that we go by type of firearm; derringer, revolver & semi auto. If you cert with a semi auto then there are no limitations in that you can carry any of the 3.
The only restriction pertaining to caliber is nothing larger than .45.

YOU UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, peh……

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We are like minded around here when it comes to guns. On the other side, almost half the population is convinced "something needs to be done about guns" and they vote accordingly. It's almost a slam dunk to come up with this kind of rule. Sure won't affect crime but wins the sheep vote. Joe

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Yes only one concealed handgun in NM. The law is below. Thing is NM is also an open carry state. You can carry one concealed with their permit or a permit they honor and as many as you want Openly!!!

10.8.2.16 Terms and Conditions of License:
A. Carrying only handguns listed on license. No person shall carry a concealed handgun of a different category or higher caliber than is indicated on the license issued to that person by the department. A licensee shall only carry one (1) concealed handgun at any given time.

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there has been some wrong information posted about arizona. Upon obtaining and going through the course for a ccw, you have to fire ten rounds, it is part of the course.
The primary reason for obtaining a ccw, is now for out of state travel and to avoid the callin on purchasing a firearm.
There are no restrictions on what you carry as to caliber or anything else.
AND FOR THAT MATTER YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A CCW PERMIT TO CARRY CONCEALED, NOT REQUIRED.
it is true on renewal of the ccw permit, you don't have to take a test or fire the course again, it's pretty simple to renew.

There is a lot of misinformation out there. There is also a lot of good information. New Mexico is the only state that only allows one concealed firearm.

Another state that has a quirk in their laws is Oklahoma. You can't carry anything with your permit that is larger that 45 caliber.

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Guess they want people to carry one gun and a bunch of extra magazines and/or speedloaders!

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Ruined my idea of an ankle holster for my 4" M500.
Seriously though, I dunno why or what chucklehead at the legislature came up with caliber restriction but I can live with it as is I guess.

You may have to fire a 10 round course for the CCW class...but you don't have take that class to get a CCW in Arizona. You can submit any form of firearms training such as your DD214, hunter safety class, or law enforcement training and receive the CCW license. I know that's how I got mine. I didn't take the course I just submitted my paperwork from the military. I never fired a shot for any type of qualification course for my CCW.

You do not have to take a CCW class or fire any type of qualification course to get an Arizona CCW.

Fox

That is partially true. I have an Arizona CCW, I do not have any calibers listed nor did I have to qualify with any caliber in order to receive my CCW. If I go to NM I am allowed to carry any weapon I choose (that's otherwise legal) because they honor Arizona CCW's. Now where I can carry may be restricted by the state...but not what I carry. Otherwise for all the other state licenses they recognize the out of state CCW licensed person would have to qualify as soon as they entered the state.

That is the part I was referring to when I suggested people in NM just get an Arizona CCW instead of having to qualify with certain calibers for the NM license.

Fox

I can't wait for the day I have to qualify with the butter knife I use for my toast

I first obtained my AZ CCW when there was a 10rd 'qual', LOL. Five each at teh 5 and 10yd lines, I believe on the old FBI silhouette. Since been eliminated, as outlined above. At the time, I went out and bought a Taurus 845(?) that could afford, just so that I could use the BIGGEST caliber on-record. The instructor did record the make and caliber of what we used, IIRC.

Move to Florida where common sense rules on our "Shall Issue" concealed carry licenses.

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No it is to hot here and we are already full. They just need to work on getting some new law makers to straighten the mess out.

In Oklahoma, the largest caliber you can carry is .45. If you shoot a semiautomatic in the "Can you shoot a gun without shooting yourself, your classmates, or the instructor?" phase of the class, you can carry a semi, a wheelgun, or a derringer. If you shoot a revolver or a derringer, that's all you can carry. The caliber you shoot is irrelevant to getting the license. There is no limit to the number of guns you carry, and, once licensed, you can carry them openly and/or concealed.

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I believe Florida issues non-resident CCW's too...so you don't have to move there to get a license from that state. Nothing against Florida though...I do like that state!

Fox

None of y'all are going to beat the Indiana pink slip I picked up as a 19-year-old for $20 in 1985 - carry anything open or concealed, in a bar, whatever, no test, no nada. That was before FL allowed concealed carry - Hoosiers don't brag on it, but they were way out in front of the pack on this issue.

Anyway, here in NM, we have what we have - most state regs have their quirks. (And I have a FL license, too. ) New Mexicans don't need a license to open carry (unlike FL, the right to open carry is in our state constitution), BTW, but as a lawyer I can tell you that nothing's simple and there are places one can't do that.

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THIS IS TRUE. I HAD A NON-RESIDENT FLORIDA LICENSE FOR MANY YEARS…..

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