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The problem is that it usually seems that the ONLY one "alarmed" is the crybully making the whiny, stompy foot complaint... who truth be told is just as likely to be "triggered" by my NRA ballcap.
The truth is that the anti-gun cult wants guns to be terrifying mystical totems of mass extinction. They want to DESTROY the "gun culture". Seeing guns every day works contrary to that... which is why they don't want them seen in contexts where the organs of state security are not involved.
Of course too, I'm amused by the dolts here who whine about open carry, when THEY were the ones bleating that there was no need for legal concealed carry because OPEN carry was legal.
I'm tired of crybullys and simply refuse to pander to their psycho-pathologies. As I've said previously, when it comes to social justice warriors, I'm into MACRO-aggressions.
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I agree with most of that. I'm not sure what you mean by macro-aggressions. I like the term crybullys and plan to use it.
I concur totally, the anti's have had their way for far too long and there is no more room for compromise.
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Well I didn't care for the way it started .... OP stuck his nose into something better left alone, should'a minded his own business. So, if the thread ends badly I don't really care. 
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That is the wrong reason to carry a firearm.
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I agree. In my mind, some of the open carry reminds me of the character with a large revolver strapped to his side .......... in the last season of "Justified". I wasn't impressed. I do CC, and my wife does also. And we'll keep it that way. We don't run around telling the public.
I have a tendency to read a lot, and have read thousands of opinions from the pro-gun & anti- gun crowd. I don't think it's the right time to be pushing firearms in peoples faces, just because it's a right to do so. Much of the public, is purely freaked out at this point.
Of course, being a forum, such as this is, there will be plenty of readers who totally disagree with my view. I can say without doubt, that many restaurant patrons will notice!
Just watch the last season of "Justified"...
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I'm not sure what you mean by macro-aggressions.
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- Micro-aggression - Me wearing an NRA ballcap or reading "The Devil's Paintbrush" (history of the Maxim gun) in a public place.
- Macro-aggression - Me responding to a whiny tirade about what the crybully "thinks" (actually emotes) with, "Aren't you getting ahead of yourself? You're telling me WHAT you think when it's yet to be determined that you think AT ALL."
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Just watch the last season of "Justified"...
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I would no more make decisions about the 1st and 2nd Amendments based on fictional TV shows than I would draw conclusions about Mars from watching the second "Flash Gordon" serial.
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I agree. In my mind, some of the open carry reminds me of the character with a large revolver strapped to his side .......... in the last season of "Justified". I wasn't impressed. I do CC, and my wife does also. And we'll keep it that way. We don't run around telling the public.
I have a tendency to read a lot, and have read thousands of opinions from the pro-gun & anti- gun crowd. I don't think it's the right time to be pushing firearms in peoples faces, just because it's a right to do so. Much of the public, is purely freaked out at this point.
Of course, being a forum, such as this is, there will be plenty of readers who totally disagree with my view. I can say without doubt, that many restaurant patrons will notice!
Just watch the last season of "Justified"...
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Umm what relevance does a tv series have??? LOL
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Umm what relevance does a tv series have??? LOL
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Simple, the character is trying to look like a tough guy. To me, he looks like a clown..
If some of you think open carry is going to desensitize the public, then go for it. I won't being calling law enforcement, as the OP did. I just don't believe it's the right time, to being flaunting it.
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Simple, the character is trying to look like a tough guy. To me, he looks like a clown..
If some of you think open carry is going to desensitize the public, then go for it. I won't being calling law enforcement, as the OP did. I just don't believe it's the right time, to being flaunting it.
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Is it the right time for me to "flaunt" my NRA ballcap? I've had crybullies complain about that...
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Simple, the character is trying to look like a tough guy. To me, he looks like a clown..
If some of you think open carry is going to desensitize the public, then go for it. I won't being calling law enforcement, as the OP did. I just don't believe it's the right time, to being flaunting it.
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Yeah, I'll base my opinions off or actual reality not tv make believe LOL
As far as the right time...People waiting for the right time and trying appease the anti's got us the slew of gun laws that are on the books now, so I'll pass on the timid stuff
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[QUOTE=keith44spl;138986615]I'm purty much surmising here....  
LOL I assume surmising= BS in this case. I'm surmising Impersonating a police officer is felony in the 3rd degree in Tennessee also. Great word.
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.... I noticed a very slovenly dressed individual standing at the buffet bar with a 9mm pistol in a holster on his hip. His sleeveless t-shirt was pulled up over the holster so that it was openly displayed, and he walked around the restaurant with a sense of bravado that was intimidating to some of the diners. Having spent the better part of my adult life in law enforcement, it was obvious to me that this guy was not an undercover cop and was just showing off.
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I know some old guys here in WA that have openly carried for decades. They aren't doing it to show off, or to make a statement; they just carry their sidearm that way. They don't care one whit what anyone else thinks about it, and complainers won't make them leave.
These are the guys I try to emulate. I view my sidearm no different than any other accoutrement I might have when I leave the house: keys, toque, umbrella, or wallet. All are equally lawful for me to carry openly or concealed.
If you had called the cops on me the result would be that you’d still be eating with an open carrier. I would not have had any discussion with responding officers (if they even bothered to come; most times they don’t) because lawful activity cannot trigger a Terry stop. How do I know? Because I’ve done exactly that several times.
Your bias is obvious from the words and phrases you used. I would encourage you to be more open minded about people that are ‘different’ than you. Only after you have achieved perfection you will be in a position to judge the motives and actions of others. You are not the standard.
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I live in Tennessee. I open carry all the time. The only thing it shows is I have the ability to protect myself. Always remember the golden rule, M Y O D B. I always do.
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I just don't believe it's the right time, to being flaunting it.
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That is the wrong reason to carry a firearm.
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That is not why I carry a firearm. That's ONE of many reasons I OPEN carry
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Oh my.....
For starters, Tennessee doesn't issue "CCW" or "concealed carry permit" as repeatedly asserted in the OP. We issue a Handgun Carry Permit. There are no carry conditions, open or concealed. A Tennesse law enforcement officer should know this. As well, there are no dress code requirements. 
Restaurants may establish various dress code and firearms policies. Apparently, the manager was satisfied that his customer was not violating any policies.
It is true that some people in society suffer anxiety at the mere sight of things, including a gun being carried by someone not wearing a uniform. This particular malady is documented by mental health professionals and identified as a form of hoplophobia. Severe hoplophobic spasms may include calling the police. 911 operators should be trained in dealing with such a caller.
Don't know what part of Tennesse this occurred, but where I live running around disarming law abiding citizens would be worthy of a promotion to crosswalk duty.
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- Micro-aggression - Me wearing an NRA ballcap or reading "The Devil's Paintbrush" (history of the Maxim gun) in a public place.
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Are you saying that wearing the cap is an act of aggression, or that *other* people see it as an act of aggression?
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Are you saying that wearing the cap is an act of aggression, or that *other* people see it as an act of aggression?
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Others see me wearing an NRA ballcap as a "micro-aggression" because it is a visible contradiction of their pseudo-religious dogma. They feel the need to confront me because no contradictions of their "beliefs" can be tolerated. ALL must conform or be crushed.
I don't "crush" so easily. It's kind of like "crushing" a punji stake with your bare foot...
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With all the senseless random shootings in public places that have occurred recently, all of us who have CCW Permits should exercise some common sense.
This morning, My family and I were having breakfast in a local restaurant here in Tennessee when I noticed a very slovenly dressed individual standing at the buffet bar with a 9mm pistol in a holster on his hip. His sleeveless t-shirt was pulled up over the holster so that it was openly displayed, and he walked around the restaurant with a sense of bravado that was intimidating to some of the diners. Having spent the better part of my adult life in law enforcement, it was obvious to me that this guy was not an undercover cop and was just showing off. I quietly brought the situation to the attention of the restaurant manager and his attitude was that he didn't want to offend his customer. I guess he didn't care about the many other customers who were offended and intimidated (after all there are a lot of people who are just plain afraid of guns).
I called the local police who responded and quietly walked the individual out of the restaurant. They verified that he was legal, had a valid Tennessee concealed carry permit, and instructed him with regard to Tennessee Law. After placing his pistol in his vehicle he returned to the restaurant.
It is situations like this that make life more of a hassle for those of us who have CCW and or LEOSA permits, and make points for those people who would restrict our rights to properly carry weapons.
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As long as he wasn't breaking the law, it's none of your business. If he was violating restaurant policy, it's management's job to take action. If you see offended, you had the option of leaving.
I frequently visit TN and am aware of TN law. OC is a lawful option that's left to the discretion of the licensed individual and to the discretion of individual establishment whether or not to allow it. Likely the buffet was a greater hazard to public safety. :-)
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Open carry is and has always been legal in N. C. for as long as I can remember, without permit. I however choose not tdo do it because of some of the very reasons already mentioned in some of the previous post's, un-wanted attention, element of surprise, etc, etc.
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Others see me wearing an NRA ballcap as a "micro-aggression" because it is a visible contradiction of their pseudo-religious dogma. They feel the need to confront me because no contradictions of their "beliefs" can be tolerated.
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Well, that's fascinating to me. I don't own an NRA cap but I see people wearing pro-gun attire all the time and I can't remember any confrontations over it, including NRA ball caps.
I guess you learn something new every day.
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Well, that's fascinating to me. I don't own an NRA cap but I see people wearing pro-gun attire all the time and I can't remember any confrontations over it, including NRA ball caps.
I guess you learn something new every day.
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Right after Columbine, a friend and I were on our way home from the rifle range, and stopped in at a Starbucks for a cup of coffee.
The slacker behind the counter commented to me, "Boy, it must take a lot of guts to wear that hat these days", to which I replied, "Why? Who's going to make me take it off?"
There are few things more satisfying than to look a crybully in the eye and say, "no". Most of them never heard it from their parents and their reactions are invariably priceless.
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I'm ah feelin a lit'l tricked out..... 
The OP's MIA from his own thread here.
And it ain't April 1st is it? This has got to be a joke anyhows!
No one on this forum and in their right mind
would actually do what the OP sed he did, is there?
This whole deal has been kinda like a big ol' snipe hunt...
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i've witnessed people carrying open in a restaurant 2 times. i liked it and didn't call the police.
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You should have left well enough alone.
It's your job to enforce the law as it been written. Your personal opinion or feelings about the law shouldn't matter.
But in this case you took the law into your own hands and you were wrong. Learn from it and move on.
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The OP did nothing of the sort. "Taking the law into your own hands" would be to personally confront the alleged offender. Calling the police, whether justified or not, is something else.
If anything, the police should have informed the OP that open carry was legal in Tennessee for license holders.
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I'm just not a fan of open carry. It's legal in Colorado. When I see hunters in rural areas I don't think anything of it. But in cities it causes unnecessary concern. I agree you have the right. Colorado has had several high profile shootings. I just don't think it makes other citizens comfortable. I think you also run a high risk of being shot by law enforcement.
My question is why would you give up your tactical advantage???
I don't want jumped or shot first. Just my thoughts.
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I'm with you on this one. Idaho had open carry but I personally prefer to conceal when in public. Out hunting or otherwise out in the weeds I'll open carry weather permitting. However, most of the year out in the weeds I'm wearing a jacket anyway, making open carry a moot point.
Just an observation. How come the open carry in town crowd mostly prefer the cheap nylon holsters? I can't recall ever seeing an open carry guy in town using a Milt Sparks holster.
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Just an observation. How come the open carry in town crowd mostly prefer the cheap nylon holsters? I can't recall ever seeing an open carry guy in town using a Milt Sparks holster.
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I don't get the nylon gear neither..........
If'n ya gonna wear a sidearm in town, get yerself a good lookin rig that will
make you the envy of the naysayers and pudknockers....
Who's gonna get skerd and nervous around someone wearin a rig like this'n...I ask ya,
And if some weasel were to call the popo.....we'll be investigating the where abouts ya got that fancy rig.
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I'm with you on this one. Idaho had open carry but I personally prefer to conceal when in public. Out hunting or otherwise out in the weeds I'll open carry weather permitting. However, most of the year out in the weeds I'm wearing a jacket anyway, making open carry a moot point.
Just an observation. How come the open carry in town crowd mostly prefer the cheap nylon holsters? I can't recall ever seeing an open carry guy in town using a Milt Sparks holster.
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I know everyone talks about it but in my experience I've seen many open carriers and Only ever seen one in a cheapie lylon holster and it had a hi point stuffed in it and the Carrie with his dace buried in his phone
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I think, as a few others here, we have been had by a troll. And, for the most part, it worked.
As far as how and with what equipment one carries as his choice of sidearm makes no difference to me as long as he/she carries. That Hi Point in a nylon Uncle Mikes might be all they can afford, none the less, it is as effective as any rig ... say, Keith 44SPL, ole Dave carries.
I for one am glad to see anyone take advantage of their God given right(s). Good on 'um.
And by the way Dave has some mighty fine rigs IMHO
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I was shopping in a Meijer's store when two guys walked in open carrying. I watched them and it was obvious that they were there to express their new found freedom and were not even shopping. I watched as people began to take notice and it was obvious that people, mostly women with children were getting nervous, staying away from them and several even walked back out. The greeter at the door didn't know what to do.
I walked up to one of them and while standing close to him in the number one position said "Do you know how easy it would be to snatch that gun from you?" He had no idea what to do, they didn't say a word and quickly walked out.
Fact is, these knuckleheads who want to look like deputy dog in a highly populated area that is not used to this always pick a nice quiet upper middle class neighborhood.
Why don't the morons go down to someplace like Detroit and put on their little parade?
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I generally carry concealed.
However, I didn't make this to hide it under layers of clothes.
Let's see now. In the warmer months I generally wear a tank top and shorts. I've got long hair, tattoos, earrings and dark skin.
I wonder what the original poster would've thought if he saw this gimpy Injun open carrying?
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I generally carry concealed.
However, I didn't make this to hide it under layers of clothes.
Let's see now. In the warmer months I generally wear a tank top and shorts. I've got long hair, tattoos, earrings and dark skin.
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It needs a knife sheath and a fixed blade knife.
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Ok, wheel guns fancy hand tooled leather and ivory handled 1911s. Poets and artists all of you all. I sure don't see that kind of jewelry being worn out here in Idaho. And the little turquoise and silver garnish on the basket weave holster. I'm speechless.
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I walked up to one of them and while standing close to him in the number one position said "Do you know how easy it would be to snatch that gun from you?" He had no idea what to do, they didn't say a word and quickly walked out.
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My response would have been, "No, show me."
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Who's gonna get skerd and nervous around someone wearin a rig like this'n...I ask ya,
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In all likelihood, somebody up to no good.
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I was shopping in a Meijer's store when two guys walked in open carrying. I watched them and it was obvious that they were there to express their new found freedom and were not even shopping. I watched as people began to take notice and it was obvious that people, mostly women with children were getting nervous, staying away from them and several even walked back out. The greeter at the door didn't know what to do.
I walked up to one of them and while standing close to him in the number one position said "Do you know how easy it would be to snatch that gun from you?" He had no idea what to do, they didn't say a word and quickly walked out.
Fact is, these knuckleheads who want to look like deputy dog in a highly populated area that is not used to this always pick a nice quiet upper middle class neighborhood.
Why don't the morons go down to someplace like Detroit and put on their little parade?
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Real smart...make a non issue into a possible dangerous issue
Say that to the right person and someone is gonna get hurt
Sounds like they were not the only ones showing off
Where in MI are that people run in panic from a OCer? I have OCed all over MI and never witnessed this
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I walked up to one of them and while standing close to him in the number one position said "Do you know how easy it would be to snatch that gun from you?" He had no idea what to do, they didn't say a word and quickly walked out.
First, I would not let you walk up close to me.... and most definitely on or near my strong side. I get fairly particular about my private space that way. I would not advise such a move...............
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I walked up to one of them and while standing close to him in the number one position said "Do you know how easy it would be to snatch that gun from you?
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This is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this forum.
Number one I'd be extremely on the defensive if some random stranger invaded my space like that. Number two I would take that statement as a direct threat and things would very likely escalate from there.
Keep doing stupid things like that and sooner or later it will backfire on you and when it does your badge won't save you
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This is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this forum.
Number one I'd be extremely on the defensive if some random stranger invaded my space like that. Number two I would take that statement as a direct threat and things would very likely escalate from there.
Keep doing stupid things like that and sooner or later it will backfire on you and when it does your badge won't save you
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You may not like it. But..............is it really a " direct threat"?
Where is it going to go from there?
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Challenging someone in the open only leads to conflict. It's not wise.
If someone wants to "show off" by open carrying, just let them. If they are being foolish, it will only be them being foolish.
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Challenging someone in the open only leads to conflict. It's not wise.
If someone wants to "show off" by open carrying, just let them. If they are being foolish, it will only be them being foolish.
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I don't see it as a challenge. Just advice to a couple of open carry clowns. A true fact of life, is that open carry DOES lead to dis-arming by other individuals.
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I don't see it as a challenge. Just advice to a couple of open carry clowns. A true fact of life, is that open carry DOES lead to dis-arming by other individuals.
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Prove it. Where are the stats?
Let me guess. It happens so often that it just has to be true. Or you read it on the internet so it must be true. Right?
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Challenging someone in the open only leads to conflict. It's not wise.
If someone wants to "show off" by open carrying, just let them. If they are being foolish, it will only be them being foolish.
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You may not like it. But..............is it really a "direct threat"?
Where is it going to go from there?
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I don't know where it's going to go from there. I assume that your next move is going to be to try to disarm me and I don't think that's an unreasonable assumption.
Per my training, any attempt to disarm me is considered deadly force because I have to assume that once you get my gun the first thing you're going to do is shoot me with it. Do you see how this could get really ugly really quickly?
I open carry every night at work and because of that I tend to be very cognizant of any person I don't know that enters my space and especially any person I don't know who's on my strong side and who is expressing an interest in my weapon.
So yeah if you got up in my face and started talking about how easy it would be to take my weapon away I would take it very seriously indeed.
A good rule of thumb is if you don't know who you're trifling with you probably shouldn't
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This is one of my biggest pet peeves and one of the primary reasons I do not open carry.
On this forum I have read of two separate instances where a forum member approached some random stranger in a store to let them know what an idiot the member thought they were for open carrying. Now with all due respect I have to ask, you chose to walk up to some random arm person you don't know and start talking smack to them and they're the idiot?
On another Forum I've read stories about how some person ran clear across a Walmart to what an open carrier know what great things he was doing for the 2nd Amendment.
Either way, if I don't know you I don't want you in my space like that. I especially don't want you in my space and focusing on my weapon because I don't know you from Adam and I have no idea if you're sincere, stupid or trying to set me up for a gun grab.
When I see people open carrying out and about I ignore them. I mind my own business and I let them mind theirs. I find works well and I think we would be much better off if more people practiced it.
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