A female coworker got sent home for unsafe behavior during CC qualification. She had to go back and qualify in a later class. This happened in Illinois. I wasn't there but I know she had very bad gun handling habits. I hope she learned something.

I have a Washington State permit, which still requires absolutely no training or live fire. You actually don’t even need to know how to hold a firearm. I also have an Idaho Enhanced, which was 8 hour class, plus a 98 round live fire; two hands, strong hand, off hand, reload, etc… The Idaho class was excellent.

I wonder if NY LEOs could pass.

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I've still got it made.

No permit of any sort required in New Hampshire. Open and concealed carry perfectly legal.

You can get a permit to show to other States that offer reciprocity if you want. You just go see the chief law enforcement officer in your area and give him ten bucks. No test. Nothing beyond filling out a form with your personal info and a check for ten bucks.

But, the permit is absolutely voluntary and not necessary in-State. If a person does not travel, he would have no use for one.

Our Republican Gov will not sign any type of gun legislation. He tosses a bunch out that the Libtards submit just about every year. Don't know what is going to happen when he moves on and the Libtards get in (law of averages says that they will someday). Probably nothing good.

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I got my first Michigan CPL back in 2008 and at that time there was 6 hours of class room time and 2 hours slotted for the live fire. There was no actual limit for the live fire time, the requirement was to prove to the instructor that you were competent and that encompassed not just accuracy but also took in safe handling and a calm attitude.

At one time in FL, permits were done by county. In Dade county, you had to fire on the 25 Yard Timed and Rapid target that was used for the National Matches. This is a round bullseye at 25 yards. It was slow fire. You had to produce three targets of 10 shots each at minimum 70%. A lot of people failed. You also had to qualify with any firearm you wanted to carry. The serial numbers were put on your permit.

Here's the NM concealed carry requirement:

10.8.2.15 FIREARMS TRAINING FOR APPLICANTS AND LICENSEES:

B. Competency demonstration.

(1) An applicant or licensee shall demonstrate competency in the safe use of each category and highest caliber of handgun for which he or she seeks certification by firing the handgun with live ammunition at a target no larger than 12 inches wide and 18 inches high.

(2) An applicant or licensee shall fire 15 rounds from three yards and 10 rounds from seven yards.

(3) An applicant or licensee shall score 4 points for each shot that hits within the scoring line and zero points for each shot that hits outside the scoring line. An applicant must obtain a score of seventy-two percent of the total score to pass
the competency demonstration.

Another note on NM's requirements. When first enacted, the DPS wanted to impose a requirement that was more stringent than that for LEOs, to include night fire. They held public hearings at which I testified.

The Santa Fe Chief of Police testified just before me, gushing praise over the proposed requirements. I then said that maybe his officers should be held to the same standard, and showed, point by point, the absurdity of requiring CCW holders to obtain a higher standard.

Fortunately we ended up with what we did instead, even if what eventually resulted is quite silly.

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Only a cold warrior

You are correct. I mis remembered it.

I had to make a trip down to the SO’s office with the completed application where I anticipated being finger printed, but then wasn’t.

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In that same vein, NC requires you to schedule an interview for permit renewal. Again it was a cas of going down to the SO’s office where after waiting 20 minutes or so they just handed me a new permit. Maybe only certain people get interviewed.

At the height of the beer virus lockdowns, an appointment was required and they were supposedly booked up for months. When I finally got around to it they had rescinded that policy. I was in and out in less than 10 minutes. It showed up in the mail 2 weeks later.

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Common sense isn't so common.

NH used to require a permit. Prior to reciprocity, I had a NH permit because I spent lots of time up in Dover back in the 90s.

At the time I was totally amazed. $10, no finger prints and no photo as they considered it an invasion of privacy.

I did mine via mail so I could have it before I traveled up there. My first permit was in my hand before the $10 check cleared my bank. I thought that was totally awesome

Remember the State motto "Live FREE or DIE" I think they take that seriously up there

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Yes, but that changed in 1987 when Florida preempted County by County Gun Laws and then became the first State to enact a Shall Issue policy. As noted above 43 states now have Shall Issue laws inplace

Florida requires no live fire for the Concealed Weapons Permit or it's renewal.

It does require proof of Firearms Safety training the first time you apply for your permit.

There are many ways to satisfy that requirement. A DD214 takes care of it as does any NRA Firearms class or any other Firearms Safety class that conforms to State standards. You can even provide proof that you have been a classified shooter in at least three sanctioned firearms matches. Even your NRA High Power Classification card works just fine

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I went and read the actual law They seldom remove sections of the codes. What they usually do is add exceptions. Idaho legislators did that with the ADDITION of Item ii of f in section 4 basically cancelling out, BUT not removing ITEM 3.

Item ii of f in section 4 following section 3 of code 18-3302 makes it clear a citizen of the US does NOT need a permit to carry concealed in Idaho. I am reading from the actual state statue.

(3) No person shall carry concealed weapons on or about his person without a license to carry concealed weapons, except:
(a) In the person’s place of abode or fixed place of business;
(b) On property in which the person has any ownership or leasehold interest;
(c) On private property where the person has permission to carry concealed weapons from any person with an ownership or leasehold interest;
(d) Outside the limits of or confines of any city, if the person is eighteen (18) years of age or older and is not otherwise disqualified from being issued a license under subsection (11) of this section.

NOTE 4 references 3 and states where 3 does NOT APPLY

(4) Subsection (3) of this section shall not apply to restrict or prohibit the carrying or possession of:
(a) Any deadly weapon located in plain view;
(b) Any lawfully possessed shotgun or rifle;
(c) Any deadly weapon concealed in a motor vehicle;
(d) A firearm that is not loaded and is secured in a case;
(e) A firearm that is disassembled or permanently altered such that it is not readily operable; and

HERE IT COMES

(f) Any deadly weapon concealed by a person who is:
(i) Over eighteen (18) years of age;

HERE IT IS

(ii) A citizen of the United States or a current member of the armed forces of the United States; and
(iii) Is not disqualified from being issued a license under paragraphs (b) through (n) of subsection (11) of this section.

Section 11 states (11) A license to carry concealed weapons shall not be issued to any person who:
(a) Is under twenty-one (21) years of age, except as otherwise provided in this section;
(b) Is formally charged with a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year;
(c) Has been adjudicated guilty in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year;
(d) Is a fugitive from justice;
(e) Is an unlawful user of marijuana or any depressant, stimulant or narcotic drug, or any controlled substance as defined in 21 U.S.C. 802;
(f) Is currently suffering from or has been adjudicated as having suffered from any of the following conditions, based on substantial evidence:
(i) Lacking mental capacity as defined in section 18-210, Idaho Code;
(ii) Mentally ill as defined in section 66-317, Idaho Code;
(iii) Gravely disabled as defined in section 66-317, Idaho Code; or
(iv) An incapacitated person as defined in section 15-5-101, Idaho Code;
(g) Has been discharged from the armed forces under dishonorable conditions;
(h) Has received a withheld judgment or suspended sentence for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year, unless the person has successfully completed probation;
(i) Has received a period of probation after having been adjudicated guilty of, or received a withheld judgment for, a misdemeanor offense that has as an element the intentional use, attempted use or threatened use of physical force against the person or property of another, unless the person has successfully completed probation;
(j) Is an alien illegally in the United States;
(k) Is a person who having been a citizen of the United States has renounced his or her citizenship;
(l) Is free on bond or personal recognizance pending trial, appeal or sentencing for a crime that would disqualify him from obtaining a concealed weapons license;
(m) Is subject to a protection order issued under chapter 63, title 39, Idaho Code, that restrains the person from harassing, stalking or threatening an intimate partner of the person or child of the intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child; or
(n) Is for any other reason ineligible to own, possess or receive a firearm under the provisions of Idaho or federal law.

I assume Muggins is not disqualified under section 11

Montana is similar as there is still a law on the books prohibiting concealed carry with out a permit. They simply added an really big exception to that which includes everyone who can legally own a gun.

Georgia is now a constitutional carry state. Open or concealed as of April 2022. No permit needed if you are lawfully allowed to own a firearm.

Prior to that, a Concealed Carry Permit only required a fee ($25-$30 IIRC) for three years and a background check with fingerprints (AGAIN IIRC). No classes or shooting tests.

Georgia had a reciprocity agreement with most neighboring states. If no permit is required now, not sure how that will work. May need to keep the CCP (if they allow it) just for out of state travel?

Georgia even has a large and growing number of counties declaring themselves as 2nd amendment sanctuaries.

The town of Kennesaw has a law on the books from 1982 requiring the head of each household to own a firearm!

OP, come on down to the free state of Georgia. We have room for you!

Here's my Grandmother's Pistol Toter's License from 1971. I'm sure it wasn't too hard to get either! It had the pistol listed. We don't do that anymore.

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Eight hours of instruction required in Nevada with 30 rounds of fire at 3, 5, and 7 yards. The two classes I've been to had two different ideas on how you shoot your 30 rounds. The second class required one hand and support hand shooting as well as two handed grip, none of which is specified in Nevada law. Go figure. It used to be that you had to have your carry guns listed on your permit, but no longer.

We used to have handgun registration in Clark county, too. That solved precisely one crime in 35 years or more, so they ditched it. The howls from the gun control zeebs were loud.

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Release the Kraken

NH is now Constitutional carry. Prior to that, one just applied for a permit and after a background check you can carry concealed. Open carry was always allowed...permit or not.

That's going to work out great for those WW2 veterans.

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That's just somebody talkin.

I've had a WA CPL for 33 years. Never had to qualify. My range made me qualify a few weeks ago to use their pistol range. Live fire was 20 rds on a 14" by 14" target at 7 yds. They all had to be on that target. Some people didn't pass the first round.

Now I understand the live fire requirement to get a permit. Not much different than a driving test for one's first DL.

In case anyone is wondering, I passed the qual. I can do it at 25 yds if they let me use my Gold Cup. That isn't my EDC though.

Because there is no test for a WA CPL most states won't honor it. Because most states won't honor it, WA won't honor most other states permits. Now that many states have ditched the permit, IN being the latest I believe, it doesn't matter.

People who carry should train weather it's required or not. It's the responsible thing to do.

There are now 25 states that don't require a permit to carry. Some states will never allow it, but then some states don't believe in the right to keep and bare arms. They might have to change a few things since the last SC decision.

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