There are some people who still prefer the G26 or G27 because of the wider grip and frame which make it more shootable and controllable… not everyone but for some people. That and the upwards compatibility of G19 and G17 mags make it still a relevant option. Key word here is option. Smaller or slimmer is not always better for a particular person.

Just like any tool, a particular gun always compromises in some fashion or another depending on the usage and situation. Hard to argue against the P365 though since it does check so many boxes well enough.

Bought a P365 to try it out. Excellent concealability and accuracy for such a small pistol. Did change out the sights to sig white dots, a shorter one in front and taller (if memory holds) in rear. Did not like the european sight hold on the original and almost worthless (for my preferences) night sights.

Bought it for a possible back up or easier concealment if needed. It is just a tad larger than Glock 42, and easier to hit with than the other small 9mm's tried. Likely due to it's trigger.

Took a long look at a 365 earlier this year. The owner of my LGS let me take one for a test drive one morning. Nice piece, shot it very well, everything I'd heard was true. All that said, I chose to stick with my Gen 1 Shield. It doesn't have the capacity, (8+1), but I've had it a long time, I'm good with it, and it's already paid for.

My P365 is the original configuration as I wanted the most compact and lightest package available. 11 rounds is enough for me. IMHO when you start extending the grip frame, slide, adding things to the slide - you take away from why I actually purchased it in the first place. Not down on anyone who gets a larger or higher capacity model, but the original design is my preference.

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I find that the G43 is a bit too small for my long fingers compared to the G26, so the 26's do have their plusses and minuses. And yes, I own both.

I've handled a 365 and I wasn't compelled to whip out my wallet and buy one. I don't remember why right now, probably because I have so many other mouse guns.

I don't belittle anyone for the choices they make; it's your money buy whatever makes you happy.

I carry a P365 some days . I don't enjoy shooting it though . It's a snappy little cuss .

I would keep carrying the J-frames over any P365.

I the tried the smaller 9mm Glocks and 365 there is not enough weight or size to dampen the recoil for repeat shots. The G26 is Queen in this department and shoots like a G19 or G17 with reliability accuracy and control of full-sized 9mm.

The grip length on the 43x, P365, certainly the P365x, Hellcat is longer than the 26. Even the 43 is longer with the standard magazine.

Mount your pinky finger and watch group size diminish.

The G48 fills every role the 19 does in a much smaller package (assuming Shield Arms magazines.)

The 43x @ 10 rounds is a much more compact platform than the hard to shoot 26.

Imo, of course.

A j frame is a little easier to pocket carry for me in some pants, but double capacity of the P365 makes it hard for me to leave it home.

The difference in capacity is the least of the concerns.

I bought a XL model a couple of months ago. It fits perfect and groups fantastic. I think it's a soft recoil and I have arthritis in both wrists and thumbs.

But I'm nervous sticking striker fired weapons in holsters. Don't like that part. I'm a five decade revolver guy and don't feel outgunned with my 442. J frames are my happy place.

Adding to my previous post…

This is where gun fit is important. The “hump” on the rear of the G26 is in the wrong place for me. Back when a G26 really was a subcompact I really, really wanted to like one, but couldn’t. The Springfield XD9 “subcompact “ fit my hand much better, despite how much I would have preferred the G26.

I have the same issue with the G19, but to a lesser extent.

The 43X and 48 for fine, I own a G45, and it’s great.

Bought a 365 this summer when I could no longer see sights so good on my J frames. I tried hard to NOT jump on the Sig bandwagon. My son has several Sigs and raves about them. I compared it side by side with the Kahr and Hellcat. Which are both very nice guns. I bought the Sig and I’m glad I did. It’s almost boring it’s so accurate and easy to shoot. 24”x12” steel silhouettes at 50yds are easy. That’s impressive for a micro 9

BUT........You can't get the 365 in 40 & 45.......I carry my 45 more than the smaller calibers

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I agree with every word you wrote! But....(and here it comes)
After 50 years of carrying "one of everything" and having gone through the phase of "carrying heavy" as in duty size with enough spares to put down a Venezuelan revolt, I've come full circle and now find that any of the small-framed, 2" barreled, 5-shot, uber-lightweight revolvers - generally in .38 Special, though they come in .357 for those who's "los huevos todavía están orgulloso!"
For those who are long-time, accomplished gun-handlers, carrying an auto is a valid option because they have the background and understand its pluses and minuses. Even so, we who have an extensive gun-handling background should pause to take stock of the reality that the most likely use of a self-defense gun will a in close, a few shots, situation handled. Granted, some will find themselves standing on aisle 11 when they hear the staccato burst of a spree killer headed their way, and a puny J-frame seems mighty small at that moment! Much better to reach into your "man-purse" (off body carry), or cool-looking backpack, and extract a FiveSeven with 21 up and another 200 in spares in the pack which is fitted with a TL4 ballistic plate and prepare to say, "SURPRISE!" when the nut gets to the condiments section!
But let's be a little real...odds are very, VERY few will ever use their concealed handgun and remember, the advice given on forums such as this one do have influence, and there's a whole new generation of young people who aren't "gun people" and have no desire to be....they just want to buy ONE gun "to rule them all" so to speak and we should never confuse their lack of experience with our own considerable experience.

THIS has brought me full circle to the revolver. Over the last few decades small revos have improved and gotten ever lighter. I have a 12.5 ounce 642 (fitted with titanium cylinder) that literally carries light "air" in a coat, or pants pocket. I also have a M360 - also fitted with Titanium cylinder to bring it down to 12.5 oz but stoked with miniature theatre-level, tactical nuclear .357 magnum cartridges!

For 90% of the "next gen" who choose to carry it comes down to this: Semiautomatic handgun - dedicated to learning its manual of arms, malfunction drills, ammo selection, loading, unloading (safely), clearing, KNOWING it's cleared, and finally, tactical implementation - carry chambered or not, holster or not? What kind of holster!

Revolver: <the sound of crickets chirping> A Model 642 fits in a pocket or a holster, it needs and has no "malfunction drill." You can SEE it's loaded - or not. It has exactly ONE method of operation with zero external safeties other than a trigger that demands to be "cammed over center" (best description I can think of) to fire, yet if at any point in the stroke the trigger is released the gun returns to fully SAFE! The tiny revo can be fired from INSIDE a coat - comes in mighty handy when being accosted at the gas-station at 1am - it will NOT malfunction! The revo can be fired in hard contact without any potential for the firing mechanism being disabled. The revo can be used as a striking weapon with an added twist on contact! The revo can even be fired when in a grapple with the bad guy's hand trying to control the weapon, but when you manage to torque it his way and YANK that trigger, it's GAME OVER for him! And the revo is still fully functional, not jammed up in any way.
The ONLY downside to the pocket revo is capacity and one can easily carry TWO if needed!

These days I use layers of defense. I carry pocket size guns in my pockets - literally. I carry larger, much higher capacity autos in off-body solutions - mostly, and when I feel it's needed, I carry compact rifles in backpacks and trunks, but I am NOT reflective of MOST of the "nextgen" out there...they want that ONE GUN...but of course they lack the experience to grasp there is no such thing.

For those still in the phase of life where they feel obligated to carry heavy on their person - KUDOS and I hope you're nearby when the spree shooter starts nearby, but "you" are not most people....they're more dangerous to themselves carrying around semiautomatic pistols, and would be far better served by revolvers.

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This forum is rife with enablers. Yep, enablers!

I've been following this thread and because of it, I just bought a P365. It's on its way from Sig as we speak. I used my NRA instructor discount which netted a nice savings. I'll report back when I get a few rounds down the barrel.

I’m thinking Chief knows his way around light weight J frames and the P365.

The P365 is smaller than a 1 7/8” J frame, and at 17oz is hardly “carrying heavy.” Heck, like my 638, I forget it’s there.

I am having the same problem 😆 I even thought of trading my pre-lock 686 which is blasphemy for me. Of course I won't do that. Even so no denying the allure of the p365

I had an original P365 when they first came out. I shot it well, carried it IWB everyday. Mine was one that got sent back for firing pin drag after it punctured a primer. Sig did the recall and sent it back. No idea why, probably psychological, I never shot it as well after that. Sold it to a coworker that was ecstatic about it. He still has it and carries it daily.

After a few carry guns (g26, g29, 642, 360) I wound up back with a p365. It shot as well as I remember the first one before getting sent back, and I was happy with it. Sold it 6 months ago, for reasons I don’t know, and ultimately replaced it with a Hellcat Pro. 15+1 in a slightly bigger package. Currently have 300 rounds through it, I won’t carry it until I have 500 without malfunction. But so far I like it everybit as much as the Sig.

I owned a 365 and a 365xl. Have done a lot of buying, selling, trading looking for the perfect EDC. Currently, a CZ 75D PCR fills the bill. I do see a Sig P365X back in the stable sometime next year.

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I wish that the 365X was offered with the curved trigger that comes with the P365.

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FYI, factory curved triggers are all over eBay... and it's an easy swap.

Yes, parts for the P365 are all over and very easy to get. I just bought a bunch myself as I always like to have spare ones that do wear, on hand for easy replacement. ie: recoil spring, striker assy. etc.

Hmmm, one of the reasons I liked the P365 so much is that the recoil is way less than my Chief's Special M60-7 was with Buffalo Bore 158 grain +P's which was my standard carry load. The ballistics of the Federal 9mm HST 124 grain bullets are a smidge better than the Buffalo Bore +P .38 special out of the 2" barrel M60-7. To me the recoil of the P365 is much more comfortable than that of the M60 mostly due to my middle finger getting struck by the back of the trigger guard.

The 11 vs 5 shot capacity is the icing......

I couldn't agree more.
As for the p365 being "snappy", it is softer shooting than just about any other sub-compact, or compact 9 I've ever shot. The only one I've ever shot that has less recoil is the Star Firestar M43. And that's just because it is all steel, and consequently its weight is more than twice that of the P365.
Just my $0.02

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Well, I tend to agree with "Mike SG Hunter" about tail pipes. I have Sigs, Glocks, and S&W's. Over the years I've carried them all. Most were OK, but they all left me feeling like there is something better, at least for me anyway.
Two years ago, my son turned me onto the Springfield Armory Hellcat. Thirteen + 1 rounds of Federal 124 grain HST"s, with a 15 round spare.
I like Apex triggers, so I added one. I also added a Hex Red Dot for my 73 year old eyes. I shoot it quite well.
My personal search for the perfect EDC is over.

We just got concealed carry in New Jersey thanks to Justice Thomas and a brilliant case backed by the NRA. I was ready with my P365 SAS as soon as my permit to carry came through.

Made one upgrade.

Purchased a second P365 SAS slide so I could replace the rear sight with an optic baseplate and added a Holosun 507K.

Range report to follow.

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Just picked up mine a couple of weeks ago. Rush job to beat measure 114. Just got the bare bones model. Don't plan to put a red dot on it.

Shot it at the range a few days ago. Shoots consistently 2 inches low and left with Federal and Winchester 124 gr FMJ ammo. Gonna drift the rear sight a bit and re-check, but so far I love the feel of the pistol in my hand. Love the night sights. Love the trigger. Holster and spare mag holder on the way. I think this will be my favorite Christmas present from myself this year.

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Finally, I found a combination of the 365 I enjoy and can actually shoot well.

The Wilson Combat grip frame gave me a wider grip, and the tungsten weight kit got it to a weight I like. There are no plans for a red dot, and I prefer the curved trigger.

Living in the land of sunshine, shorts and T shirts now, pretty much demands an EDC that has relatively high capacity but is light, small and reliable with a good proven caliber. The new 9mm Federal HST 124 grain is one of the very best when carried in a 17.8 ounce P365. I believe fully loaded the weight is about 23 ounces. That's incredible to me!

While I carried a J Frame of some type for 40+ years, it was up North where concealment was less of an issue. Where I am now, I almost never wear a jacket, long pants or and other accessories that could help concealment. I do carry lots of stuff in my pockets and have to maximize their usefulness per ounce - if that makes sense. J Frames (while incredibly reliable) are only limited to 5 rounds and the J Frames actually weighs more loaded with 5 than a P365 does with 11. To me that is an important weight and size factor and a reduction of weight and size.

Given a choice I would take the J-frame over the Slug 365 ,it just does not make the grade for me. Some guys like Chevy and some like Fords.

I own multiple P226s. Have entertained buying a P365 for CC.
Can some expert here please remind me of the years that the guy who ruined KIMBER was at SIG SAUER ? Would like to avoid buying a gun from his tenure. Also, have those companies recovered from the shortcuts he implemented to save money?

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I just picked up my P365 yesterday. Haven't shot it yet. It's got some stout springs; both the recoil spring and magazine spring. The price of smallness, I figure. Should be a good carry gun with the right holster, but it needs a lot of shooting before I'll depend on it.

For the first time in at least 25 years, I feel content in my CCW choices. I just recently picked up a S&W 3953. I wanted the safety and security of a deliberate double action pull. It fits my hand well and carries well. It’s my EDC/travel pistol.

Yesterday I picked up a Glock 42. I will add the Pearce +1 magazine extensions. It replaces a Ruger LCP Max. I didn’t quite like the ergonomics of the LCP Max.

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Which after 300 trouble free rounds ended the search for best combo of lethality, size, capacity and reliabiity.

Bought my P365 for pocket carry and the tridium vile in front sight went missing after 400 rounds. Seven day in and back to Sig for new front sight.

Hope 2nd sight is glued in properly as the gun is perfect for pocket carry, front or rear.

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I was carrying my 640 when I found myself in a BLM disturbance and had an epiphany ... 5 is not enough. My truck suffered some small dents and scratches before I cleared the area. I found myself at the Ft.Worth gun show and after handling a few compact semi-autos I settled on the M&P 2.0 Compact. It has performed flawlessly and is my primary carry.

I have a friend that bought the 365 and he swears by it. He replaced his 642 with the 365 and is very happy.

What ever works... to each his own.

And there you go again.

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It just so happens... the truth is the truth.

I like Ram trucks... others Ford or Chevrolet. It doesn't matter I think their choice is, well,...messed up

Of toting revolvers, I am, surprise, surprise, still toting one. Model 60-7 with a bobbed hammer.

Pocket carry. With a reload, either a strip or a speedloader, depending on my garb.

If 9mm were not the most easily available handgun ammo, I wouldn't even own the used 3914 Ladysmith I picked up a while back. Which I do like a lot.

Now I am, of course, a geezer and my adherence to the KISS principle is uppermost in my mind in almost all things these days.

Were I younger, I might be tempted to try a semi auto as a carry piece. But it's the 60-7 for me until the morgue or the nursing home.

There is a sense of peace and contentment when you finally find what works for you after years of trading. I’m really happy with my Glock 42 with Pearce +1 grip extensions for pocket carry and my S&W 3953. Both recently acquired; after years of trading, buying and selling!

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It just made too much sense not too switch! The P365 is way easier to shoot, more accurate and has night sights, super fast to reload, lighter, smaller, more than twice the round count on board, less recoil and from what I’m seeing the Federal HST 124 grain ammo is a stellar performer.

In its day, the 5 shot Chief’s Special was a terrific choice as was the Colt Dick Special, but now that criminals have upgraded it’s put pressure on us to as well. I have.

S&W 3913, enough said!

I’m a fan, too. I still occasionally have a j-frame or LCP in my pocket but when carrying iwb it’s my P365. For those who haven’t tried the Hogue “Hand-All” sleeve, I highly recommend it!

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Have friends that swear by their 365s....... but at 69 and 30 years with the 3913/14/NLs .......I'll stick with my 8+1, 28oz loaded, Milt Sparks Summer Special ..... 3913 IWB.

"Old Dog"

Look I want to share the same enthusiasm for it that you do but my trigger spring broke after a few boxes of practice ammo. I had to send it back to Sig for repair.

My two 365XL's are excellent shooters. But the grips ate up my hands after a couple of magazines. I also put Hogue Handalls on both of mine. All the difference I needed, and barely any grip width increase.

I still like all metal. Through the fine help of kbm6893, I will soon have an elusive 3913 in the stable as an occasional "old school" carry and probably my bedroom backup.

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For those who call the Sig P365 "snappy" I would like to know what they call a J-frame loaded with +P ammo. I carried a M60-7 with either Buffalo Bore Heavy 158 grain, +P SWCHP-GC or Speer Gold Dot 135 grain +P ammo for many years. IMHO both rounds have way more felt recoil than even +P ammo in 9mm out of a P365. I can shoot a P365 all day long (as long as I have ammo in my bag) but after a few dozen +P rounds in a J Frame, I will go back to standard velocity rounds. Even with standard velocity ammo, the rear of the trigger guard always bangs into my knuckle and after a while is not fun to shoot!

The J Frames are IMHO, a SD gun and while they must be practiced with, they are usually not fun shooting with carry ammo. The P365 (at least to me) is not really a hard recoiling gun. I've been down to the Range when I first bought it four years ago and I have shot 200 rounds at a time. I could not do that with a Chief's Special and +P carry ammo.

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