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I'm not sure. Does April Fools run into May??
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Actually, that IS EXACTLY what I was wondering.....but I did my best to be the sweet, kind gentleman my benighted, sainted momma raised....or tried to...........
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Anyway... how many of you have fired a 12ga Shockwave with 2 3/4" 9-ball 00 buck? I have. Not fun. Not even close. I'll stick with my 38's and 9mm's. Now a .410 Shockwave, maybe...
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Back in my younger days I cut the barrels and stock on a double barrel 12 ga. magnum. Barrels and overall was legal. I loaded both barrels with 3 in. shells and shot it one time with one hand. The breech lever cut the web of my hand and the back of the trigger guard took some meat off my middle finger and my fingers wouldn't move. I used my good hand to pull the gun from my shooting hand and remove the unfired shell. I learned in one lesson to not do that again. Larry
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The best Caliber is .729 and the best Cartridge is none other than the mighty 12 Gauge Slug Shell.
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I know a Deputy who killed his partner with a 12 gauge miss. So at least two fatal cop shootings by their partners with 12 gauge shotguns.
Shotguns are not an answer for everyone JMHO
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Nah, 12gauge is just, not the right weapon. Not even most of the time. FN PS90. 50 rounds of 5.7x28. I'd much rather scatter 50 pieces of 40grain lead at up to 50 targets. Bullpen length. Better sights with a red dot so you can get them running away. And I'll bet I can still have a modicum of hearing left if I were to fire off a few rounds inside vs one shotgun blast. Yep. 50 rounds. 22 caliber
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Same amount of ammo and same caliber, but a tad smaller.
P50 | 5.7mm Semi-Automatic Pistol | 50 Round Capacity | KelTec
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If you want to tote one, about as effective as anything without wheels within 10 yards or so. Wouldn’t want to use it at 40 yards across the mall food court.
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Nah, 12gauge is just, not the right weapon. Not even most of the time. FN PS90. 50 rounds of 5.7x28. I'd much rather scatter 50 pieces of 40grain lead at up to 50 targets. Bullpen length. Better sights with a red dot so you can get them running away. And I'll bet I can still have a modicum of hearing left if I were to fire off a few rounds inside vs one shotgun blast. Yep. 50 rounds. 22 caliber
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Counter-point: Each 12 Gauge #4 Buckshot 3" Shell holds 41 .24cal pellets.
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If you want to tote one, about as effective as anything without wheels within 10 yards or so. Wouldn’t want to use it at 40 yards across the mall food court.
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Don't want to tote one around. Was taught to take out the bad guy from behind the hostage at 10 yards with 00 Buck, without hitting the hostage. For longer ranges we used slug out to 100 yards.
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Don't want to tote one around. Was taught to take out the bad guy from behind the hostage at 10 yards with 00 Buck, without hitting the hostage. For longer ranges we used slug out to 100 yards.
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You seen the video of the San Diego PD officer taking out a murderer holding his ex-GF around her neck?
Shotguns are awesome especially for the few who really get it.
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My issued .38 saved me more than once during my career & based on that it’s what I carry in retirement.
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You seen the video of the San Diego PD officer taking out a murderer holding his ex-GF around her neck?
Shotguns are awesome especially for the few who really get it.
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Have not seen it, but have done it over 100 times using steel pepper poppers. Won some money on the shot, while teaching that it can be done.
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M110A2 Self Propelled Howitzer. You can take out the entire food court from 18 Mi away
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I just watched the conclusion of the documentary film "Spectre" in which James Bond shot down a helicopter from a fast moving speedboat at a range of roughly 1/4 mile with a shot from his Walther PPK which is known to be chambered 7.65mm Browning (.32 ACP) "which hits like a brick through a plate glass window."
So for self defense, 7.65mm Browning (.32 ACP) for me, all day, every day.
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One big issue with the OP's claims. Those ballistics were probably developed for a 28 inch barrel. So it's loaded with a slower burning powder such as Longshot and actually needs a longer barrel to get up to speed. Put that in a barrel that is roughly 14 inches shorter and you can say good by to that 1200 fps quoted velocity. My hunch is that you would end up in the 700-800 fps range. I will also note that a newbie to the Shockwave will probably drop the gun when they fire it. Recoil at this level in a hand held "pistol" is something you have to work up to slowly.
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Not so, I'm afraid. 12 Gauge Shotshells are extremely low pressure, and due to how they function in the first place with shot, barrel length makes surprisingly little difference on velocity compared to other firearms.
Shotgun Barrel Length vs. Velocity - The Kommando Blog
This was the best article I could find on the subject, but I once read a better one with more 1:1 results because what they did was use the same shotgun but kept cutting the barrel shorter and shorter.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find that particular article, but I'm not surprised because it was over a decade old.
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Whew! Glad thats settled......
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not sure of the caliber or if Smith makes a revolver for this, but it gets my vote.
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not sure of the caliber or if Smith makes a revolver for this, but it gets my vote.
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16” AP round from a battleship?
The M3 Grant in the background would work also.
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