What's your opinion on the model LG 105 defender series? I have the model LG 405 on my M&P 340. I would be using the 105 on a model 442. Being the 105 is a little smaller and is made from a harder material, would it be better for pocket carry?

Thanks for your input.

Frank

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The 105 is made of hard plastic and does not cover the backstrap. It would conceal well but would be less fun to shoot.

I like the 405's. They also conceal well and are better for shooting.

Here's a pic for reference...
I like the LG-105's...small...concealable...and the hard polymer is snag-proof...
Not much padding, but it doesn't bother me to shoot and stay polished...
Some of the other models are better for handling recoil...

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The 405's are the way to go in my opinion.

I've had the 305's, the discontinued models, on my 340PD for many years. And you know that old saying this is going to hurt me worse than it is you? Well that's the truth, if I had to shoot somebody I could tell them that and mean it 'cause those hard plastic grips with the exposed back strap shooting a full power .357 Mag will kill'ya unless you hold it just right by sliding your hand down a little on the grip where the back strap won't hit the webbing between you thumb and forefinger.

6 years ago I was at the shooting range one day and forgot to put on my shooting glove on and fired my 340PD with one of my hot .357 Mag reloads and blood was running down to my elbow before I could put the gun down. I had scare tissue at the base of my thumb for over 5 years. It finally went away just this year.

The only good thing about them is that they are small and light and slide in and out of your pocket without snagging. They're also shorter than the 105's. But given a choice I'd go with the 405's.

In fact I went to the CT forum when the 405's first came out and ask the weight of the 405's and one of the factory guys answered and the weight was a a little lighter than my 305's which surprised me.

Smitty

305's


Here's the 405's to compare. The sides of these grips are hard polymer so they shouldn't snag in the pocket either.

I have the LG105's on my 340 M&P. Felt recoil is no different than the stock grips. Having said that, my grip on the gun does not always press the switch enough to turn the laser on. I am thinking about swapping them out for a set of LG405's to see if they would be any better. I did have a set of LG305's that are just to large and bulky for deep concealment for me.

When someone can explain to me how a $5.00 red laser light and about $.50 worth of injection molded plastic equates to a $220.00 lasergrip for my pistol, then I'll buy one.

Until then I think it's horse*****.

I like the 105's I put on my 360 for all the reasons mentioned. Recoil comfort is not an issue, it's just like shooting a j-frame with wooden grips.

In response to Ironbar's comment, obviously the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts and cost reflects what the market will bear. I paid $165 for mine and, IMO, they are well worth the money. I carry my gun as a BUG and I like knowing that, God forbid, should something happen to my duty weapon or should I be so compromised that all I have is my BUG, thanks to that little red dot I can still put rounds on target, even if I can't raise the gun to line up the sights.

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In response to Ironbars comment, you are not paying for just materials and labor (that is VERY low). You are paying for the researce and developement costs as well as the liability insurance cost. The latter is probably the highest cost.
If our society was not so quick to sue, the cost of insurance to develope, mauufacture and sell any product would be a lot lower.
Sorry, this is off subject, but it needed to be said.

If the $200 my lasergrips on my 442 save my arse at 4 am in some dark part of the world while i'm loading equipment, it's money well spent. There's a price for research and development.

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Ironbar,

A SW MP Pistol is only about $9 or $10 in raw materials and the equipment to build them is more than paid for. Why on earth would one be silly enough to pay the $450 - $500 for the gun?

When your down on the ground, perhaps you face has been sucker punched or even kicked. You retrieve the J frame from an difficult position, activate the laser with the grip and fire to save your life, you will have gladly paid much more than a measly $225.00 for the grips.

I am 'relatively' young (37) and have 20/10 vision (Thanks Lasik!). I have a pair of 405's on my J-Frame.

I'm not so arrogant to think encounters with evil will be clean, simple or organized. I will 'cheat to defeat' any enemy who wishes me harm. I will win! I will use any and all available and useful means to defeat that evil. My Crimson trace is part of that.

Please consider this before quickly dismissing a product.

Jimmy

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-Washington DC's low murder rate of 80.6 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Arlington, VA's high murder rate of 1.6 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

-Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."

-Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

I was fortunate to find my LG-105's LNIB for $116 delivered.
I couldn't pass them up at that price.

Plus, if I was a bad guy, just seeing that red dot on my chest might cause me to reconsider my intentions...

Kapuna

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The 305 is shorter than the 105 and hard plastic?? better correct you post.

I have the 405s on my J-frame. I carry in my pocket about 95% of the time and have never had a problem with the draw.

IMHO, shooting one is worth a thousand words.
Bill