Renamed Mannlicher-Schoenauer thread, with new pics

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This week I fulfilled a dream that first crossed my mind when I was 9 or 10 years old. I brought home a Model 1903 Mannlicher-Schoenauer carbine.

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I can't remember the very first time I heard of this model. I remember being excited when I got a two-inch blue plastic replica of one out of a box of Wheaties (or whatever) in the mid-1950s, so I had to have known about it before then. I would recognize it in the movies I saw at Saturday matinees before 1960. I think George Montgomery had one in Watusi, and Stewart Granger may have had one in Harry Black. The gun was clearly more memorable than the films.

I have been on a fantasy safari in the East Africa of a hundred years ago for the last couple of days. I stumbled across Theodore Roosevelt at one point; he admired my gun, and I said nice things about his 1895 Winchester. I am finding it really tough to get back to the here and now when somebody talks to me or the phone rings.

Chambers the 6.5 mm x 54 round; characteristic Mannlicher butter-knife bolt handle and full-length stock; 17.75" barrel (omitting the chamber; almost 20" from muzzle to bolt face); fixed primary leaf iron sight with flip-up 300 meter leaf behind it; removable five-shot rotary magazine; double (set) trigger with screw adjustment to fine-tune release tension; horn grip cap and butt plate; the steel, wood and scope are in extremely nice condition, with only a few dings in the wood and minimal area thinning of the blue observed; quick-detachable scope mount with Kahles Mignon 2.5X scope (first manufactured 1908 and continued, I believe, through the 1930s); the gun has a serial number near 21000; and the scope mount is numbered to the gun.

The bore seems to be in good shape. There is a lot of congealed oil in there, as there is in the action. I will be working slowly in the next few days to clean this rifle up and get it properly lubricated.

I still don't know how old the rifle is. I suspect from the serial number that it might be late 1930s vintage, but I need to do more research on that. It could conceivably be postwar production, in which case the scope might be a transfer from another gun. There are sometimes date codes on the underside of the barrel and receiver in Mannlichers, but I don't have the right screwdrivers to disassemble this gun safely. I'll report back when I find out for sure.

This wasn't cheap, and I don't regret that the price I paid probably greatly exceeds a reasonable market value for the gun. There were four or five aggressive bidders for this one, but I think the others were just shopping for a nice rifle. I was spending into a childhood dream that I wanted to bring into reality.

I haven't been as happy in years as I am just sitting in a chair holding this thing. Elation! :D :D :D :D :D

(That's an auction house photo up there. If people want to see more pictures, I can take some detail shots and post them.)
 
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Congrats on a very interesting gun. I like the wrist on it. The gun seems to be dropped at the comb for the iron sights. How does the cheek weld feel with the scope?

I'd love to see the action out of the gun and how the set triggers were set up on that one....!!!

Again, very interesting gun....

Steve
 
Now that would make a Bishop kick out a stained glass window. Beautiful lines.
 
Back around '53 or '54 John Hall carried one in the "Ramar of the Jungle" TV series. Wish I could find a better picture for you.

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Jimmy and ED,

I think Ramar's Mannlicher is a beefier model. In other publicity stills it seems to have more wood in the forestock. But I agree it shows the classic Mannlicher styling.

After looking at publicity photos, I have to acknowledge that George Montgomery's Watusi gun has more of England than Austria in it. I wonder what I am remembering?
 
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I think George Montgomery used a SMLE Mk III with a Colt SAA in "Watusi".
In the early 1950s Jon Hall used one in TVs "Ramar of the Jungle".
Jimmy


You beat me to it, but you are right on. I used to love Ramar on Saturday afternoons, and saw, "Watutsi", too. Montgomery's SMLE had a blonde stock and he had the bayonet until near the end of the film. Colt SAA, I think with 4.75-inch bbl.

I used to have an 8x56mm like this one, but eventually sold it, as ammo was so scarce. Western used to load both that and the 6.5mm, but it's been a LONG time ago. I was able to find a limited supply of DWM ammo imported by Speer in the 1960's, and that was it.

I do love the Mannlicher-Schoenauer.

BTW, Dr. Roy Chapman Andrews used these as well as .250 Savage rifles on his famous expeditions. And Robert Ruark mentioned them in his famous novel, "Something of Value." His white hunter protagonist had one. Ruark almost certainly saw them in use in Kenya in the 1950's.

Nice little rifles!

T-Star
 
Nothing but class! According to the movie "The Longest Day", Lord Lovat carried a 1903 M-S when he landed at Sword Beach on D-Day. There is some disagreement about this, but there's no doubt he owned at least one M-S and he did have a preference for sporting rifles on raids. Congratulations on an excellent purchase.
 
Congrats on a very interesting gun. I like the wrist on it. The gun seems to be dropped at the comb for the iron sights. How does the cheek weld feel with the scope?

I'd love to see the action out of the gun and how the set triggers were set up on that one....!!!

Again, very interesting gun....

Steve

As you can imagine, cheek contact is not optimal when sighting through the scope. Anyone planning scope work might want to bring along a beanbag or folded towel to drape over the stock. Cheek position is fine for iron-sight work, and the tunnel through the front scope base makes nearby targets easy to grab if one should pop up unexpectedly only a few dozen yards away. I saw a modified Mannlicher stock somewhere on the internet that had a high-low cheekpiece -- invisible when down, seemingly rock solid when two inches higher.

I'll post a couple more photos as time goes by. I got the goo cleaned out of the bolt, receiver and rotary magazine. Looked like old 30W engine oil.
 
Beautiful gun. There is an M-S collectors group for those who are interested:

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For what it's worth, Steyr quit making these in 1971. Manufacturing costs had gotten too high, and the receiver doesn't lend itself well to scope mounting. Newer designs based on Mauser patents and escalating machining and handwork costs killed it off.

The replacement Steyr rifle is good, but not exceptonal as modern rifles go. They don't polish off the hammer forging marks from the barrel, and it has a swirled appearance under the blue finish. I'm sure they thought it was fashionable, but I haven't gotten used to it.

Mr. Wilson, please do favor us with additional photos, as you are able to take them. If you can get some sharp ones of the wood, that'd be nice. My M-S had some really nice wood in the stock. Buffing it with my hand and a soft cloth really brought out the beauty.

I have found it very hard to see good pics of this rifle on the Net. The one that you posted is the best yet! Thanks for sharing your joy in owning this fine little carbine.

T-Star
 
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When I read this post I couldn't help but get my 2 Mannlicher's out of the safe and fondle them dreaming of this years hunting season.

I have a 1908, 8x56ms, with a Zeiss 4 power scope and claw mounts, and a 1950 made in 1952, 257 roberts, with a Jaeger mount and a Zeiss Diavari-C West German Scope. Both are carbines, both have double set triggers and both are very accurate. I took a buck with the 1908 hunting season before last at about 97 yards, according to my range finder, and the old 8x56ms ammo worked perfectly. I just picked up the 1950 at the Tulsa show in April and I'm looking forward to hunting with it this year.

Boyd
 
Nice looking Mannlicher Schoenauer..

I have a 1903, 1908 and 2 1910's. One of the 1910 models is a rifle with a full length raised rib barrel. The stock was most likely a full length originally judging from the wear along the side of the barrel. But it's a bring back from WW2 and was probably cut to make the trip back.
It's reproofed in Germany in 1913 and has H. Barrella's(sp?) name on the barrel, a well known gunsmith and dealer in Germany. Claw mounts are missing so it needs some work. But these are beautiful rifles and certainly deserve any attention they should need.
 
I've had the pleasure of shooting a 6.5X54 and it was a soft shooting comfortable big game rifle.

My neighbor, who has since passed away, hunted deer, elk and moose with his M-S 6.5X54 and that long pencil like bullet was a great killer.

Good decisive, humane kills on game from that grand old round.
 
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