opinions on the ruger gunsite scout rifle.

I have two #5 Enfield jungle carbines, one all original Longbranch, the other Brit is scoped. Together they cost me less than half of what the Ruger Scout rifle retails for new. That's about as "Scout Friendly" as I can afford, have had them well long before Jeff Cooper's Scout concept rifle was popularized.

Cheers;
Lefty
 
Lefty, I too have several No. 5 Jungle Carbines, but try and buy one today for what you and I paid way back when. Also , as I am sure you are aware, when you fire one repeatedly and it heats up, the zero will often "wander". That being said, they are neat rifles. The comment was made earlier about using Milsurps and while they will work, I think that going out today and buying anything that would kind of work will cost more than you might think. Several come to mind , ie. Spanish FR-8's, Russian Nagant carbines, Carcano carbines, and even some of the Yugo's . You will still have several hundred dollars invested and be no where near as good as the Ruger. As far as the magazine of the Ruger, it is an AI and fully compatible with many of the current custom precision rifles on the market which is a big plus for those of us who use them as well. The Ruger rep. in our area is a personal friend and with discussing the choice of the AI mag for the rifle their reasoning was all available mags were of the same type and quality with no others available. Therefore any problems with after market mags were eliminated, and the gun would not be at fault for the end user using out of spec after market mags. I have had custom scouts built for the last 20 or 25 years and I can say without a doubt, the Ruger is the absolute best buy on the market for this type of rifle. All my very best to one of the best holster makers going. Joe.
 
I've seen them for slightly less than $800. They're a fine handling rifle, and I can surely understand why people want them. Long-relief scope, etc. It would have been nice had they been able to engineer the receiver so it would accept standard M14/M1A magazines.

My Panther Arms LR308 is a bit heavier, but I'd prefer it in carbine mode, to the Ruger.
 
Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' 'bout, Komrad! Tell me more about the scope mounting. I've been thinking a 2X red dot would be perfect for my M38 but the mod would need to be quickly reversable... ie... demolested ;)

It appears to just bolt in place of the rear sight?

Ya' mean like this??
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The scout mount is from Darrell's;
Scout Mount Ordering Information and Current Availibility in Mosin Nagant Forum Forum
Yes, it does bolt in as replacement for the rear sight leaf. It's a much better quality mount than the commonly available B-Square. S&K makes a Mosin mount now too, and it might another better quality mount.

The carbine is a 1943 Izhevsk M38 fitted with a Huber Concepts trigger to improve the feel.
 
Lefty, I too have several No. 5 Jungle Carbines, but try and buy one today for what you and I paid way back when. Also , as I am sure you are aware, when you fire one repeatedly and it heats up, the zero will often "wander". That being said, they are neat rifles. The comment was made earlier about using Milsurps and while they will work, I think that going out today and buying anything that would kind of work will cost more than you might think. Several come to mind , ie. Spanish FR-8's, Russian Nagant carbines, Carcano carbines, and even some of the Yugo's . You will still have several hundred dollars invested and be no where near as good as the Ruger. As far as the magazine of the Ruger, it is an AI and fully compatible with many of the current custom precision rifles on the market which is a big plus for those of us who use them as well. The Ruger rep. in our area is a personal friend and with discussing the choice of the AI mag for the rifle their reasoning was all available mags were of the same type and quality with no others available. Therefore any problems with after market mags were eliminated, and the gun would not be at fault for the end user using out of spec after market mags. I have had custom scouts built for the last 20 or 25 years and I can say without a doubt, the Ruger is the absolute best buy on the market for this type of rifle. All my very best to one of the best holster makers going. Joe.

Hey Joe;

It's a strange thing for me to admit, but as I've grown longer in the tooth, I'm more reluctant to jump on the bandwagon. I agree the Scout concept is a good one. Ruger's interpretation of that concept is well executed and for an out of the box variation, seems to be quite suitable. "Wandering zero" on the #5's was a valid issue of concern for rapidly sustained fire (combat) at distances over 100 yards. In my experience and with my particular rifles, it is no issue whatsoever, since I'm not defending against hordes of zombies. More likely though, either game or paper monsters.

Some time ago, I liquidated a significant portion of my long gun collection. After much agonizing, I reasoned that I should concentrate my interests based upon ammunition. I found that I had so much .303, 30.06, .30, .22 ammunition, it justified little else. I know it sounds screwy, but what the hell, it is more than I could burn up in another lifetime.

So now I look for rifles (or scatterguns and handguns) that suit my needs in chamberings I have on hand. I confess that I am very biased toward the S.M.L.E., M1-A1 Garand, M1 Carbine and the venerable 1903-A3 bolt rifles, any of which could be formatted to the Scout concept design with minor effort by any competent gunsmith or advanced amateur gunsmith. In the interest of fairness, there are many other milsurp rifles, now considered in antiquity, that could do the same, as other posters have cited so I won't repeat it.

If I were 25 or 35 years old, had no significant accumulation of specific ammo, I'd march out and buy Scouts cause' they were a good idea in their early incarnations and they remain so today. I'd attest to the #5 SMLE as a candidate without reservation as a bargain. The .308 is an excellent cartridge.....but I don't have 5K rounds in storage!

Thanks for your very kind remarks. God bless.

Cheers;
Lefty
 
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Lefty, we are much the same in our reasoning. I too tend to only {most of the time} buy guns chambered for what's already in the "system". An older mentor of mine always said to think of any gun as only a part of what you need . Gun, large enough quantity of ammo, plenty of magazines, whatever parts typically needed to keep the gun running, and if you really were prepared, two of the same model. I have lived that rule for over 45 years. I should add if the gun in question is a handgun , you should also have the proper {several} good holsters to carry it and extra reloads for whatever the need might be. All my best, Joe.
 
Most of the negatives seem to be focused on scope placement. Doesn't this rifle allow you to conventionally mount a scope?
 
Joe;
I should probably add that if I had need of a Scout type rifle, not having another rifle filling the same niche, I'd certainly take a hard look at Ruger's. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the Ruger Scout is rather homely. But if you want a classic rifle with pretty wood ,etc. there are many others to be had. All in all, my guess is the Ruger Scout would be worthy for an "all around" rifle. To each his own say I, you throws your money on the table and takes your chances!

Cheers;
Lefty
 
Lefty, I fully agree about Beauty In The Eye of the Beholder. The Ruger is not an eye catcher. I always enjoy the discussions and banter on the forum between Knowledgable and experienced men and women. It is just a shame that time and distance keep us all apart from actually getting together to shoot and try out some of the many guns and hardware owned by our many members. We can all agree that we would have a great time sharing our thoughts and ideas over a cup of coffee or, after the guns are put away, an adult beverage. Always a pleasure, Joe.
 
I like Cooper's ideas. I thought the Scout was a little weird, then I picked one up. Wow. The Ruger version also fits me extremely well. I don't have one yet, but it is on my wish list.
 
The set-up looks clean and simple, but...where did they
come up with a thousand dollar price tag? I'll make one out
of a Mil-Surp before I fork over that kind of cash. TACC1

TACC1: heck the Spanish already have done most of the work; here's my Spanish FR-8; chambered in 7.62x51; carbine length, flash hider; just need a "scout" scope mount!

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Yuck! And way too heavy.
I’ve had too many Ruger rifles that shot patterns. Maybe they’re better now but they won’t get any of my money.

I’d buy the Savage in a heartbeat though.

Emory
 
Crofoot629, the problem with the Savage Scout, is not accuracy rather the use of their own magazines. They built them on the cheap and on the one I owned and the ones several of my friends owned , they were unreliable. There is just no free lunch with magazines or for that matter quality guns. As far as the you tube video of the "custom" fitted M14 mags on the Ruger Frontier the video is self evident. I have a Parker Hale Model 85 Precision Rifle that uses M14 mags {issue, not special fitted} that works like a champ each and every time. but it cost a heck of alot more than the Ruger Scout. I would agree with you on the Ruger varmint rifles of days gone past , the ones that I messed with were barely 2moa. No where near our beloved Remingtons. Tho the Ruger scout is not a long range rifle , however, it holds it's own out to the 600 hundred yard line for what it's designed for. We had a great time taking down steel plates but the limitations of a scout type scope and aging eyes take their effect at any serious distance. These guns {Scout type} were never thought of as a long range gun rather a 3 to 5 hundred yard general purpose rifle and quite frankly most people will not use them beyond that range. AS an aside, Savage now makes one heck of a nice batch of precision rifles once they got rid of their absolutely horrendous old trigger and went with the new accu trigger. Their barrels were always first rate. Crofoot, all my very best, Joe.
 
Part of the "scout" concept that I really like is the ease in which it can be handled; it is easy to carry "un-strapped" and quick to throw into firing position for a scoped rifle of any kind. I like the carbine length. However, I see it as a defensive tool in the respect that "scouts" are by definition, apt to be out numbered in a hurry, so a bolt gun wouldn't be my choice. In my case. I wanted a very dependable design, not prone to fouling, and not magazine dependant, and user friendly, that could be deployed by most anyone (woman-kid, etc) So I set mine up starting with a Winchester 94AE in .357 Magnum, a 16 inch barrel that holds 10 rounds when chambered. It is light weight, and produces the most bang with the least recoil. I shoot nickel plated hulls with 158gr HC-LRNFP bullets from mid atlantic bullets, over 7gr of Unique. It is a great combo with no leading and smooth functioning. I put a Bushnell Trophy Red Dot on a mount I fashioned from a multi slotted shotgun mount, just forward of the chamber area. There is one made for this gun by one of the big sight companys, but they want you to glue the thing on the gun. I used the 2 holes already on the receiver for the back of the mount, and slid in one of those rounded filler pieces where I removed the stock sight, and drilled and tapped it so that I could attach the front of the mount. It took a little doin' but it really works well, is accurate, and easy to shoot; both eyes open, or one closed. Targets can be engaged quickly out to 100 yards or farther, depending on the eyesight of the shooter. Just keep stuffing the bullets in, and it'll keep sending them where you want them. The most fun with a rifle above 22 caliber I've had recently. Flapjack.
 
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