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amazingflapjack
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Good stuff guys, anything else? Thanks, Flapjack.
Shotgun length limitations...
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sigp220.45
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I put a Hogue pistol grip like this one my 870. I needed it to fit into a small space on my vehicle, and this did the trick:
It's not bad at all to shoot with reduced recoil 8 pellet 00 Buck. Full power stuff stings a bit, but it is still very controllable. I wouldn't want to be on the other end of it, for sure.
It's not bad at all to shoot with reduced recoil 8 pellet 00 Buck. Full power stuff stings a bit, but it is still very controllable. I wouldn't want to be on the other end of it, for sure.
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amazingflapjack
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Thanks everyone!!
MI is another state that outlaws SBS, and even have their own variation on the definition of one.
the guns that come with pistol stocks from the factory (thinking Mossberg JIC series and the like, not the Serbu) don't quite meet the definition of a shotgun (the part about being shoulder fired), so the thinking is those can be cut down to 16" without paperwork. sounds like a whole lotta potential headache to me for a barrel just 2" shorter
the guns that come with pistol stocks from the factory (thinking Mossberg JIC series and the like, not the Serbu) don't quite meet the definition of a shotgun (the part about being shoulder fired), so the thinking is those can be cut down to 16" without paperwork. sounds like a whole lotta potential headache to me for a barrel just 2" shorter
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I've read that several times and still don't get it
My brother-in-law had a sawed off shot gun. They measured 20 inches from the firing pin (is that the *face of the breech*?) and cut the barrel. He got stopped for DUI and the shot gun confiscated. The FEDs measure from the end of the longest shell that the gun will take - In other words the length of *the barrel* DOESN'T include the receiver.
He spent 5 years in a minimum security federal penitentiary in Millington, TN for having that gun.
The good news was that while he was in the pen the time ran out on his driver's license suspension for the DUI....
*They* seem to take that fairly seriously, btw.
JcMack
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JcMack
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I'd really like to know the correct info on this subject.
he either got royally screwed or you aren't hearing the whole story.I've read that several times and still don't get it
My brother-in-law had a sawed off shot gun. They measured 20 inches from the firing pin (is that the *face of the breech*?) and cut the barrel. He got stopped for DUI and the shot gun confiscated. The FEDs measure from the end of the longest shell that the gun will take - In other words the length of *the barrel* DOESN'T include the receiver.
He spent 5 years in a minimum security federal penitentiary in Millington, TN for having that gun.
The good news was that while he was in the pen the time ran out on his driver's license suspension for the DUI....
*They* seem to take that fairly seriously, btw.
JcMack
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Please don't take an issue or turn this into some kind of argument. DeadAye always knows what he's talking about. I did say please. IT'S A REALLY SERIOUS ISSUE TO ME and a lot of people here.
Thanks in advance, Jim
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SOFMatchstaff
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It doesnt get any simpler or more accurate than the 3rd post in this thread!
I've Never heard of a barrel being measured from the forcing cone to the muzzle to determine a legal barrel length, sound reckless and theres a BS factor some where in that story on one side or the other.
If its a REALLY SERIOUS ISSUE, then go to the horses mouth and ask the BATFE for the technical specs. I doubt very much if NEF is going to ship an Illegal shot gun for any reason. your measurements confirm the technique, just apply it to the weapon in question and feel confident that you are legal..
I've Never heard of a barrel being measured from the forcing cone to the muzzle to determine a legal barrel length, sound reckless and theres a BS factor some where in that story on one side or the other.
If its a REALLY SERIOUS ISSUE, then go to the horses mouth and ask the BATFE for the technical specs. I doubt very much if NEF is going to ship an Illegal shot gun for any reason. your measurements confirm the technique, just apply it to the weapon in question and feel confident that you are legal..
JcMack
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A pistol barrel is measured from the the forcing cone to barrels end be it auto or revolver. I realize that shotguns and rifles fall into a different category. Now my question is: Since I currently own no shotguns other than auto or pump, do single or double "break open" shotguns fall into a different category due to design? I'd like a measurement on a factory/unmodified breakopen shotgun if someone cares to do so.
sigp220.45
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http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8-chapter-2.pdf
Here you go. As stated above.
"The ATF procedure for measuring barrel length is to measure from the closed bolt (or breech-face) to the furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device."
"Barrels are measured by inserting a dowel rod into the barrel until the rod stops against the bolt or breech-face. The rod is then marked at the furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device, withdrawn from the barrel, and measured. "
This is specifically for shotguns. Action type doesn't matter. Same basic way for rifles.
There is no minimum legal length for handguns, so it doesn't really matter how they are measured.
Here you go. As stated above.
"The ATF procedure for measuring barrel length is to measure from the closed bolt (or breech-face) to the furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device."
"Barrels are measured by inserting a dowel rod into the barrel until the rod stops against the bolt or breech-face. The rod is then marked at the furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device, withdrawn from the barrel, and measured. "
This is specifically for shotguns. Action type doesn't matter. Same basic way for rifles.
There is no minimum legal length for handguns, so it doesn't really matter how they are measured.
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A locked breach pistol (Your typical Semi Auto) is measured from the closed breach block to the muzzle! A Rev is from the end of the barrel (the forcing cone!) to muzzle
JcMack
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Uh oh! Looking at my Glock 26 you are correct! My mouth (keyboard) went into motion be for my limited brain function was engaged.
JcMack
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Thanks to all for putting up with my thread abduction, and to all for info and sigp220.45 for link.
Moonman
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I just measured a DOUBLE BARREL, dropped a dowel rod down it and marked it, removed it and measured. 27 7/8 inches, this shotgun is supposed to be 28 inches.
Measured a Riot Gun, dowel measured a hair over 18 9/16" barrel, it's supposed to be 18 1/2 inches.
To keep people out of trouble many manufactured or gunsmith altered shotguns have 18 1/2 inch barrels. The FEDS take this very seriously and will put you in the FEDERAL PEN, AND TAKE AWAY YOUR FIREARMS OWNERSHIP RIGHTS FOREVER, unless you have enough money to secure a pardon.
EVEN A HAIR UNDER 18 INCHES, YOU'RE GOING TO JAIL.
Pistol Grip only stocks have to be a factory produced PISTOL GRIP SHOTGUN ONLY, and not a pistol grip shoulder stock that you cut off and left only the pistol grip part.
This may NOT KEEP YOU out of a LOCAL or STATE Jail though. The FEDS will take your money for a machine gun tax stamp too, but if you move to a NO-NO area the firearm possession is not permitted.
Please consult the ATF, a Class III firearms dealer, or your attorney, if any further clarification is needed.
Measured a Riot Gun, dowel measured a hair over 18 9/16" barrel, it's supposed to be 18 1/2 inches.
To keep people out of trouble many manufactured or gunsmith altered shotguns have 18 1/2 inch barrels. The FEDS take this very seriously and will put you in the FEDERAL PEN, AND TAKE AWAY YOUR FIREARMS OWNERSHIP RIGHTS FOREVER, unless you have enough money to secure a pardon.
EVEN A HAIR UNDER 18 INCHES, YOU'RE GOING TO JAIL.
Pistol Grip only stocks have to be a factory produced PISTOL GRIP SHOTGUN ONLY, and not a pistol grip shoulder stock that you cut off and left only the pistol grip part.
This may NOT KEEP YOU out of a LOCAL or STATE Jail though. The FEDS will take your money for a machine gun tax stamp too, but if you move to a NO-NO area the firearm possession is not permitted.
Please consult the ATF, a Class III firearms dealer, or your attorney, if any further clarification is needed.
CAJUNLAWYER
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JcMack
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Maybe my b-i-l needs a REAL lawyer then.
He wound up a FELON over that and did another 5 later for having an honest to God unmodified Remington 700, because he was a felon in possession of a firearm.
I'd think that if the first conviction were bogus then someone owes ol' Jim a bunch of money!
PS - He had one of those *one will be appointed* lawyers all three times. You don't want to know about the third time...
He wound up a FELON over that and did another 5 later for having an honest to God unmodified Remington 700, because he was a felon in possession of a firearm.
I'd think that if the first conviction were bogus then someone owes ol' Jim a bunch of money!
PS - He had one of those *one will be appointed* lawyers all three times. You don't want to know about the third time...
Moonman
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Deadeye,
If the BL happened to have some drugs or contraband with him and a firearm too that might have been the 5 year reason on a plea bargain.
If he's a 3 time FELONY loser his free time is probably booked up.
If the BL happened to have some drugs or contraband with him and a firearm too that might have been the 5 year reason on a plea bargain.
If he's a 3 time FELONY loser his free time is probably booked up.
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