No Serial On Shotgun?

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I was cleaning a shotgun that my Dad gave me for Christmas in 1959. It's a Winchester model 37 single barrel 20ga. It doesn't have a serial number, unless it's under the wood at the grip?
Is this common with some firearms?
 
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Serial numbers where not required until the late 1960's. I have heard of some mass production guns not being given serial numbers. I would also assume some smaller gun manufactures didnt bother with them either. I have seen a 1920's-1930's single shot 22lr that did not have a serial number on it thats what made me look up the info.
 
Dad told me the reason he bought that model was because the hammer was behind the break-down lever. On the ones he had growing up, the lever would cut his hand when fired.
The shotgun cost less than $30 when it was bought.
 
serial numbers were not required until 1968. I have my dad's Stevens 620 and Mossberg M-151B and they don't have serial numbers
 
I have an "ancient" - probably from the early 1960s Mossberg Model 500 (pump) shotgun that doesn't have a serial number on it. When I was in the Army and I reported into a new assignment, I would go immediatley to the Provost Marshal's office to secure my shotgun. It never failed, first the desk sergeant would look unsuccessfully for the serial number, then another sergeant would try to find it, and so on, and so on as all of them were getting more and more frustrated. Through it all, I would quietly and respectfully try to let them know that the Mossie simply had no serial number of any kind. Sometimes, an old MSG or a Warrant Officer would happen by and listen to the story, and then quietly suggest that they use my social security number as the serial number for records keeping and inventory control purposes.

I still have the Mossie, by the way. It was the first gun I ever owned.

Regards,

Dave
 
I must ask my FFL what he does when one of these passes through his business. He likes his books bolted down at the edges and BATFE proof and this is the sort of thing that tweaks him. I have bought weird milsurps from out-of-state and on receipt I get an exasperated call, "Your gun is here. What the hell is it? What do I put in my book".
 
As stated above, serial numbers were not required on firearms until the Gun Control Act of 1968. Winchester and other manufacturers serial numbered some models but not others. It didn't follow a pattern except most of the less expensive models were not serial numbered. I once owned a a Mod. 62 (pump 22)and a Mod. 67 (22 single shot bolt) both made in the same time frame. The 62 was serial numbered but the 67 wasn't. Go figure!
 
all that is required on the 4473 in the serial number area is "N/A" and the dealer shouldn't be required to do anything more than that in the book he keeps
 
all that is required on the 4473 in the serial number area is "N/A" and the dealer shouldn't be required to do anything more than that in the book he keeps

I can guarantee that even though that may be allowed, it would not work for my guy. He looked ill when I casually mentioned that just putting "Enfield" for an SMLE might not be a good idea as over the years some of the serials have repeated. I suspect the same is true of some Mosins, too.
 
I can guarantee that even though that may be allowed, it would not work for my guy. He looked ill when I casually mentioned that just putting "Enfield" for an SMLE might not be a good idea as over the years some of the serials have repeated. I suspect the same is true of some Mosins, too.

You could really get him excited by letting him know that there is overlap in the serial numbers of GI issue 1911s as well. :)
 
My FFL that I've used to transfer some old single shot .22s simply puts NSN in his books and on the 4473. Obviously NSN stands for No Serial Number. This is acceptable by the ATF since many pre-1968 inexpensive firearms didn't have serial numbers.

CW
 
I had an old Fox B side-by-side in 16 gauge that was made some time in the 30's, I think. It didn't have a serial number. On the other hand, I have an old Ansley H. Fox Sterlingworth side-by-side that was made in 1916 and it has a serial number. Go figger.
 
I wish my model 37 had a serial number so it could be dated in the future. I was 11 years old that Christmas in 1959. I never shot it very mush, shells cost a lot compared to .22s. The gun gets a new coat of Johnson's Paste Wax ever couple of years and it hasn't been shot in 25 years... and still looks new!
 
True of many guns. On the duplicate serials, study Triple locks some time. Some were pulled and converted to .455. Other .455s have duplicate serials in 44 special (and possibly some of the odd ball calibers).

When my FIL passed away I somehow inherited 2 of his guns. One was a Ted Williams 16 ga with no serial. The other was a Mossy 22 bolt gun, also with no serial. Seemed too shady for me so I gave it away. Yes, to my son. He even asked about that one time. What is there to say? Grandpa didn't file it off, it never had one.
 
Serial numbers were required on firearms prior to the 68GCA,,but not on 22rf cal long guns,,nor on shotguns.

The 68 law required from that point forward (12/68 I believe) that those two types also be serial numbered by their manufacturer.
Others had been required to be serial numbered prior to the 68 law.
That law only added the last two types that had been up to that point ser#'d optionally by their mfg'r.

Some mgf'r's did already ser# their 22rf cal long guns and shotguns. Some did not.
Some ser#'d some of the models in their production, but left other models unser#'d. Winchester is a prime example.

The Fox Model B is actually made by Savage. It's a cosmeticly altered Stevens 311.
Savage owns both the AH Fox name and the Stevens name having bought both companys out in the '20's. Savage used the names to their marketing advantage over the years.

AH Fox before being bought out by Savage serial numbered all production,,even the flare pistols made for WW1 contract.

Savage/Stevens/Fox Co. is another that ser#'d some production, but failed to do others in their line.

Then there's the ever present unserial numbered example that shows up in later production. Factory mistakes do happen sometimes as much as they do not wan to admit it. Also firearms make their way out the facilitys as parts to be assembled later.

The as-issued Mosin Nagants don't even have a legal ser# by US standards. The ser# placed on them in original manufacture is actually up on the bbl, not on the receiver. Not sure about the N/E Westinghouse made rifles.
In many other parts of the world the bbl is the 'firearm' or controlled part as the frame is in the USA.

No one ever payed much attention to the matter, what with the rifles selling for $10 and under.
Then came the 1986 upgrading to the GCA with the importation being allowed once more of Milsurp firearms.
A flood of M/Nagants came and still do it seems.

That '86 law required the 'import markings' on the firearm and notice was taken of the ser# placement or lack of it on them.
For that reason, most all of the post '86 M/N imports have either the bbl ser# restamped onto the recv'r by the imported before sale, some more discretely than others.
Or more recently a new serial number assigned to it and it and the import marking info bill board marked on the left side of the recv'r.

Duplicate ser#'s do happen during production. Sometimes the stamping process was done with individual single digit stamps. Some used a self indexing stamp on a roll die type assembly. Either could cause a duplicate.
Most mfg's had a way to deal with it. Some by adding a simple odd letter prefix or suffix to one of the dups.
IIRC Ruger used to use a cap X as a suffix on a serial number. It of course changes the duplicate to a new number,,it also lets a collector know that the gun was originally a duplicate #'d gun. For that some seem willing to pay a bit more.
 
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