Help with Browning 22 rifle takedown info

Steelman2000

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I have a new in box Belgium Browning 22 takedown (model 1815) that was purchased around 1970. I believe it has Diana Grade engraving (heavy engraving all around, including trigger guard...but no inlaid gold) and is signed by the engraver. It has never been fired and the case is pristine. Has original instruction manual.

I am considering placing this firearm on consignment, but I have no idea of the value.

Can anyone give me some info??

Much appreciated....

Ron
 
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I don't think they used names to describe engraving level like they did shotguns. I think the takedown 22s were a level of engraving like III or IV or some such.

I used to work in the downtown area and every day at lunch I'd hike up to the upscale gun shop and drool at the Brownings I couldn't afford. What I'd suggest you do is go to Gunbroker or Guns America or those sites and look at the completed auctions. Don't just look at the numbers, look at the photos and see what the best sellers do to describe their guns. Then try to do the same when you put yours up for sale.
 
Hard to do without pictures. Is the case leather and lambskin lined? I saw my NGD neighbor, Blake's buddy, pay $1400 for one a couple gunshows ago and he valued the take down case at $400.
 
There were some signed engravings, but as mentioned they were on the higher grade rifles. Signed engravings by Legier come to mind..I have a grade II and I have seen these go for $800 and up, not signed..
You can date your takedown from the serial number..Here is some info on that..



1969 started using two digits for the date of manufacture:
T=Long Rifle Caliber
E=Short Rifle Caliber
This was then followed by the serial number beginning with 1000.
Example: 69T1000 = A 1969 22 Semi-Auto rifle in 22 Long Rifle Caliber with a serial number of 1000.
 
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Oh yeah, here is mine...

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We need some photos on this one. A Belgian manufactured Grade II like the one above will bring $1500 to $1800. The same rifle manufactured by Miroku in Japan will bring hundreds less.

Who did the engraving can make a difference in value. Grab a loop and check who signed or initialed your rifle. Check all the panels. At times one engraver might do some of the panels and another engraver might do others.

From the sounds of it; the OP's Auto-22 maybe a Grade III or IV. Those can bring $2000 or $3000 and more.

Some good photos are needed to determine the grade.
 
Something else that will add to the value, what type of rear sight does it have ? There is a wheel version that will fetch a few extra bucks..Mine, which I posted a pic of, does not have the wheel rear sight..
Wow 1500 bucks..I know the price of ones like mine had been on the rise, just not that much..:)
 
I will attempt to post some pics. I believe all engraving was done by Louis Vranken.

Thanks for your help,guys....
 

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Very nice !!!!! Great pattern on the furniture..I would think a Belgium Browning collector would really have interest..
Could it be a grade II and added engraving? The lack of gold makes me wonder..
 
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Steelman that is a very nice Grade III. If it were mine I would be looking for something in the $3K range minus the consignment cost. If the serial number shows a build date from 1967 to 1972, Browning's infamous salt wood period, then maybe a little less. I don't see any obvious signs of salt wood damage.

you can find a build date here Browning Date Your Firearm - 22 Semi-Auto Rifle
 
Steelman that is a very nice Grade III. If it were mine I would be looking for something in the $3K range minus the consignment cost. If the serial number shows a build date from 1967 to 1972, Browning's infamous salt wood period, then maybe a little less. I don't see any obvious signs of salt wood damage.

you can find a build date here Browning Date Your Firearm - 22 Semi-Auto Rifle

I posted the date info earlier..The OP didn't post the date after reading my post..Maybe he will now..
How did you figure out it was a grade III, just curious...
 
I posted the date info earlier..The OP didn't post the date after reading my post..Maybe he will now..
How did you figure out it was a grade III, just curious...

It is the standard Grade III engraving and checkering patterns...French gray with dog and game scenes with skip line checkering.

I've not owned one, never been a big Browning 22 Semi-Auto Rifle fan but I photographed a few including current FN Custom shop production.
 
This is one thing I hated about Browning. They would take a perfectly good squirrel gun and doll it up...

Similar guns sold on GB will give one the best current value. Ignore all high starting prices unless there is an actual bid.
 
Very nice rifle. Vrancken engraved is a plus. A very identifiable name amoung the FN engravers plus one of the best. Felix Funken was considered the 'Master' at the FN factory.
Vrancken did a lot of the high grade superposed shotguns.

A grade III. No gold inlay on a III.
The standard dog w/ (usually) 3 ducks on the right,,,dog with (usually) 3 pheasants on the left. Should be a dogs head on the top. Some times w/a rabbit in it's mouth (early), sometimes w/a duck in it's mouth (later). The dogs head usually faces left,,,,once in a while the engraver got out of the box and they face right.

All sorts of small variations of all of the above depending on the individual engraver. But the basic layout especially the scroll was followed gun to gun.
Some were not signed at all.

II and III grades were Grey Finish. Grade I was blued.

All these points are subject to the occasional gun that shows up factory original but does not follow the 'plan'.

I have some serial # info for the 22 semi auto's for the years '56 thru '73. (FN production) Japan production started in '74.
The year date code started in '68/69 becasue of the GCA is easy enough to come up with a yr built.
The years before that,, it's a guesstimate. The info I have is from just that but based on purchase dates, invoices, postmarks, ect and is copied from Tyler's book on the 22 Browning rifle.
Plus keep in mind that FN rolled over the serial numbers every 99,999on the rifle. To show the difference, a 'hundred thousand marker' is placed in front of the 'T' in the serial number. A 1, 2, 3, ect can be found in front of the 'T' in the serial number as well as the yr date code after '68.

I'd only be guess now as I haven't been around these in many years. But with the condition, Grade, case, instruction booklet, ect,,It would seem to be a 3K to 4K Browning. But as I said it's just my WAG at this point.

Check thru the closed auctions and see if anything like this has actually sold and for how much.
 
Very nice. My guess is mid 60's based on the case style and the Vranken signature. Vranken was a master engraver and he and Watrin headed the engraving dept at FN from early 60's thru early 70's. Nice rifle.

Mine from 1958 is Vranken signed and has the early engraving of the rabbit on top. Never was sure why ducks and pheasants were pictured on a 22 rifle.
$3k would not touch it.

Charlie



 
Gentleman...thank you so much for the info.

My firearm does indeed have the dog/rabbit scene as pictured above.

The underside of the barrel is marked " 2T32959"

Thanks again for all the help.

Ron
 
Ron,
Fabulous gun! I'm certainly no expert on these, but I'll tell you what I think I know.

I believe your serial number dates it to 1962, well before "salt wood". The "bolt through pistol grip" is an early feature not found on later guns, so yours should also have the rear "wheel sight". The early guns has a lovely oil finish that mellows with age. Later guns have the high gloss plastic looking finish.

As stated, yours is a master engraved Gr. III. I haven't looked at values in a few years, but I would guess the gun alone is worth in the neighborhood of $3500. That's assuming the wood hasn't been refinished and it's as nice as it looks. The early Hartmann cases are quite desirable and went through some changes. I'm not sure which came first, but some had a tan colored plastic insert on the handle. The early emblem was marked "St Louis, MO", later emblems included "Montreal, PQ". Last time I looked, these cases were bringing about $400. There was an earlier case that had an actual leather exterior - they'll bring even more.

I had a later Belgian Gr. II that was double signed by Angelo Bee (once on each side of the receiver in the lower right of the vignette). I let it go a few years back for $2400. I sometimes regret it, especially after looking at a post like your! I try not to think about it too much. :(

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I really was taken back by the reference to salt wood..I had never heard about this issue....I went to the safe, dug my 1970 takedown out and inspected it very closely..It is pretty much a safe queen, since my eyesight makes it hard to focus on the sights, haven't put a round downrange with it for some time..I do a visual inspection and wipe it down every 3 to 4 months or so, but not to the extent that I did today..
I must have been lucky ..Not even a hint or speck of rust where the wood meets the metal...No rust or discoloration anywhere...
Whew!
Thanks for the heads up !!:)
 

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