I was thinking of buying one of these for my daughter as a carry gun. I've owned CZ guns before, and found them to be top quality but I have no experience with this particular model. I don't want to debate the 32 auto thing just looking for help from those who own or have owned these.
I'd like some feed back before searching for one. Thanks.

A solid, well made handgun. I've owned 3 of them, all were very reliable with round nose ball, only one of the three worked as well with hollow points (though whether 32 hollow points expand reliably is debatable). Some people say the penetration of FMJ is better and more effective.

Biggest complaint was the heavy double action pull, single action was good though on the ones I had. The safety seemed awkward to me but might be fine for others. No complaints about accuracy and like many other CZ products they were well built.

The CZ 70 is an improved version of the CZ 50. Nothing to write home about in the looks department (like a Walther PP or PPK) and not sinister and mysterious (like a East German Makarov) but it is a reliable and accurate handgun. I owned a 50 and two 70s back when they were under $100.00. The 70s are still in the family and work fine, though not a one of them liked HP ammo. If you can snag one for under $200.00 you should be fine.

Being a Czech native I know a lot about those things - I even shoot CZ 70 for my license exams

Those guns are not great by any mean. You can get them for around 50 bucks and no one wants them at all

CZ 50 is solid made from good materials but those are rare. CZ 70 is not that good.

Interesting project may be changing the barrel to a threaded one for suprressor.

Are they more reliable than 7.65mm Walthers? I saw an account of German police trials in the 1970's that found the PP jammed on average once in 50 shots.

That's one of several reasons why they mostly went to 9mm's.

Repeat after me. CZ82, CZ82, CZ82.

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All good stiff.. I will just keep a certain CZ27 I just acquired from a certain forum member....and I love the CZ75BD. It s an amazing pistol for $500. What a tack driver.

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Texas Star, I have owned several Walther PP, PPK, PPK/s and a TPH. I have repeatedly been underwhelmed by them. I did have a WWII era PPK that looked like the Titanic's anchor, but had a pristine bore, and worked like a Singer sewing machine. A buddy talked me out of it around 1980. His daughter and her husband spent the weekend with my wife and I last summer and she was carrying that Walther.

This PP below belonged to my late F-I-L, I kept it because it was his and this one works perfectly. It is a former German LE gun, "NDS, or Lower Saxony" marked that was refurbed then sold through Interarms.


The Walther is much maligned but if you accept it for what it is, which is "adequate", then it is a decent gun. There are better choices for a SD gun.

I prefer the Beretta 70 series...obviously.

I like CZs, and I like my vz.50. I am in the process of trying to massage it into a state of reliability suitable for carry. Note that the fact that I even have to say that may well put you off the virtually identical vz. 70 as a carry piece. I am nevertheless going to the trouble because 1) I like it; 2) I shoot it pretty well; 3) it is sized for pocket carry, unlike any of the other guns I own; and 4) I already have it.

There are a number (presumably a small number) of 50/70 owners who carry theirs. Some even claim to shoot hollow points reliably, although I fear mine will never join those ranks.

Look at czforum.com for info on carrying the vz. 50/70 ( from your post, I gather you may already have visited there). There are some very useful threads and valuable links to be found there.

As I said, I am doing this because the project interests me, and because I already have the gun. I have no hesitation in carrying .32 auto for self defense. However, if I were setting out to acquire a CZ for carry, I would be doing as the man said, and looking for a CZ82.

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Ditto CZ 82, CZ 82, CZ 82, CZ 82 ect. Yup that's my vote.

But I have the CZ 50 & CZ 70 too. I have a leg holster for these.
I haven't worn it yet.

Give her the one she likes and can handle. If you have the cz 70 that's the one. I like them all.

I had a CZ 50 for a number of years. All steel, heavy, reliable and, in my opinion, awkward to handle with a heavy trigger. I have a CZ 82 too. Much better choice.

I'll have to mostly agree with what others have said. I have a CZ-50 I picked up while stationed in Germany. It's an interesting, solid little gun. Mine has been 100% reliable with S&B FMJs, never tried any HPs.

It would be WAY down the list of guns I'd care to carry for SD. IMO, the double action trigger pull is atrocious. I suppose that changing the springs might remedy that to a large degree, but I also am no fan of the safety.

FWIW, I have 2 of those NDS former German Police PPs in .32 ACP. They're excellent little pistols. Mine are 100% reliable with FMJ, and the few HPs I happened to put through them, though it was not enough for me to claim they will feed HPs reliably. They're easy to shoot and quite accurate.

I also am a huge fan of the CZ82 (9x18mm) & CZ83 (.380 ACP) pistols. However, these are both fairly large, owing to their double stack mags. For a concealment pistol, I'd opt instead for a true Makarov, preferably East German, early Chinese, or Bulgarian (in that order).

Excellent pistols, they'll feed anything, very accurate, not too small to be able to shoot well, not too big to conceal, and an effective safety that works in the correct direction. My old boss at the gun shop where I used to work carried an E.G. as his carry piece for many years, even though he had the pick of anything in the store. He and I were in the same CCW class, and the instructor ribbed him about carrying the Makarov. After we'd qualified, he grudgingly admitted it was a good pistol.

If I were going to get a small concealable pistol in .32 ACP, I believe I'd look at the Kel-Tec P32. I've never fired one, but I've read that they don't recoil too badly, considering their size and weight.

Tim

When you start looking at a Walther PP or similar size small caliber pistol, you realize there are newer, more modern designs of the same size and weight that fire a more powerful cartridge. Here is my PP with my daughter's Shield for comparison.


My 3953 & the Shield.


The Walther PP on top of the 3953.


A rear view of my old S&W 908, Walther PP, Beretta 84.

I bought a CZ v70 for just under $200.00 from the local Cabelas a few months ago. I fired a box of rounds through it without any problems, and with good accuracy. I agree with Colby Bruce and others, you could do better with somethin a bit more more modern, and with better sights for SD. The trigger pull is a bity dodgey, and the front sights are really bad (tiny). Used, I've seen a few around at the $250.00 level. Why not a J-frame?

Best of luck,

Dave



Update with photos:

#3: width comparison (left to right: M&P 40C, Model 638, CZ 70, CZ 82)
#2: size comparison: (top) Model 638 on top of M&P 40C, (bottom) CZ 70 on top of CZ 82
#4 sights: (left to right) N&P 40C, Model 638, CZ vz 70, CZ-82

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I know this was just a typo, but I have to point it out...I'm sure you meant to say, "The PP on top of the 3953."

Tim

Thank you Bullzaye, I fixed the caption. I do have a photo of te Shield on top of the 3953 for comparison.

I owned a Kel-Tec P32 briefly several years ago. Recoil was not bad at all, and it never failed to fire or eject with ball ammo. It just didn't fit my largish hands and long fingers, and I found I couldn't shoot it accurately, so I traded it off. But it wasn't half bad for the money, weighed approximately zilch (eleven ounces tops, I think), and could be carried in a shirt pocket with ease.

Wish I'd bought a Makarov, though.

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