browningcollector
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The LGS has a very nice 03 Springfield with the pederson cutout. Serial number is in the 1100xxx range. Bore is great. Original sling. What is a good price? Thanks
Springfield 1903 with pederson cutout
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$750 - $1100 range
Ivan the Butcher
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The Penderson devise will cost almost 10 time what the gun will and it used an underpowered long 32 auto cartridge that are worth too much to shoot. At an OGCA show in the 80's a gentleman had a Web pouch carrying case with six magazines. He wanted 2 or 3 thousand dollars back then for them and collectors almost got in a fistfight over who got to buy it. Ivan
I have three friends who have Pedersen Devices. The most interesting story revolves around one of my oldest collector friends. Back in the mid to late 60's he was aware of an elderly gentleman who was a farmer here in the Midwest who had one that he actively used when he was farming on his tractor {Carried it in a modified M1 scabbard}, every time my friend traveled in the area he would stop ,have a cup of coffee and visit with the gentleman and at some point in the conversation , offer to buy the rifle and the device. Now ,at the time my friend had a pretty good size surplus business and was remanufacturing M1 Carbines{re-welding receivers} and offered one to the farmer for use on the tractor. Much to his surprise, the farmer asked what one of the carbines would sell for and when my friend told him $60. dollars the farmer said that if he would pay him that amount he could have the rifle and device. The farmer also mentioned that he had three boxes of shells for the rifle. My friend could not get to his wallet fast enough and when the deal was done over the kitchen table my friend was so excited to get the rifle he started to leave. As he was getting into his car the farmer said to back over to his barn and he would load the three "boxes" of shells into his car trunk. You guessed it, three BIG boxes {cases} of shells. All told my friend ended up with the Springfield ,the device, the device pouch , two mag pouches , 14 magazines, and over 9000 rds of ammo. My other friends paid considerably more{the far side, way far side of 15 grand} for theirs. I should add that the owner in the above story still owns it but ,sad to say is slipping into the darkness of alzheimers.
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I wouldn't pay much if anything extra for the 1903 because it has the Pederson modification. They modified a large number of them. The sear is modified too to allow a dissconnect in the semi-auto mode of the P/D. Many of the sears were replaced with stock 1903 rifle parts later on as the guns were gone over, rebuilt, ect.
A collector wishing to buy an example of that particular model would probably pay for a nice all correct one. But for a shooter, it matters little. In fact the Perderson cut 1903's used to be priced a bit less than the unmodified rifles and were harder to move.
Times change and collectors values & interests certainly do.
None of them are $29.95 anymore!
A collector wishing to buy an example of that particular model would probably pay for a nice all correct one. But for a shooter, it matters little. In fact the Perderson cut 1903's used to be priced a bit less than the unmodified rifles and were harder to move.
Times change and collectors values & interests certainly do.
None of them are $29.95 anymore!
There is a wide spectrum of Mark I Springfields out there. It is true that most were converted to standard '03 configuration by substituting normal sears and cutoffs. The prized ones have all original parts designed to work with the Pedersen device, and today are worth considerably more than a standard '03. Here are some pictures of one that's correct.
This is a full length view. Note the ejection port cutout in the receiver. This one also has the very rare M1927 sling.
Here is the correct model marking on the receiver:
Here is a closer view of the ejection port:
And finally, a comparison of the two types of cutoffs. The standard M1903 is on top, and the Mark I is underneath it. The cutoff must be flipped up to see the difference. Most of the Mark I cutoffs I've seen have sans-serif letters. Finally, the barrel and receiver group must be separated from the stock to verify the presence of the semiauto sear.
Hope this helps in identifying an all-correct Mark I '03.
John
This is a full length view. Note the ejection port cutout in the receiver. This one also has the very rare M1927 sling.
Here is the correct model marking on the receiver:
Here is a closer view of the ejection port:
And finally, a comparison of the two types of cutoffs. The standard M1903 is on top, and the Mark I is underneath it. The cutoff must be flipped up to see the difference. Most of the Mark I cutoffs I've seen have sans-serif letters. Finally, the barrel and receiver group must be separated from the stock to verify the presence of the semiauto sear.
Hope this helps in identifying an all-correct Mark I '03.
John
Back in the 1970s, SARCO had the Mk I sear and cutoffs, quite cheaply. I bought a set and gave them to a friend who collected US military weapons.
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