Took my new Glock 22 to the range the other day. 7 - 10 yards, PMC and Ultramax remanufactured ammo. Shooting off hand.

3 distinct groups while trying to figure out where it shoots. Turns out it's sighted in for the top of the sights instead of the dot

No gun is utterly dependable not even a Glock. The Glock forums have just as much bitching as any other forum. Glock has been very clever in their marketing strategy promoting Glock as utterly dependable, which is BS. Rolls Royce used to have a policy that if you had a breakdown you would get your car fixed and you were never billed therefore there was no evidence of a breakdown. I can understand that some people like them for whatever reason but they are no different from a Sig, M&P or H&K as far as reliability goes except for the price.

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I don't "get" Glock collecting, to each their own. To me a Glock is like a Toyota Camry. Great tool, nothing special to look at, definitely not a trailer queen.

I do have a friend with a 1 of 1,000 "New World Order" G17 that is mildly collectible. He uses it as a bedside gun...

Yea I don't get the Glock collection either but then again to me a Glock is a Glock and a revolver is a revolver. So collecting guns is kinda weird.

To relate to trucks...

Glock is the Ford F-150
S&W is the Chevy Silverado 1500
Sig is the GMC Sierra 1500
Ruger is the Ram 1500

Also I always wondered, is there any reason why we don't see any surplus Beretta 92 pistols on the market? I'd happily buy one for $250 and replace the springs.

Even though I don't see it as "boxy", I could overlook that in favor of performance. And if there's one thing Glocks do very well, it's perform.

I've never seen a modern S&W revolver that doesn't fit that very same description. If I really think I will need 12 rounds I can carry two guns.

Alternatively, I'm pretty doggone sure I have pistols that are equally reliable as well.

Jus' sayin'.....Glocks are great but they are not the end of the equation.

I had to force myself to like my Gen 3 G 19, ended up shooting it as well as I could. When I picked up the Gen 4 G 19 it felt like a totally different pistol. IMO, much improved yet not perfect.

Sometimes we have to adapt to the weapon instead of it adapting to us.

Considering that Glock only really makes one gun with the exception of the 42 they should have the very best gun in the World. Most manufacturers make either a completely different selection of handguns or a broad selection of different firearms. Since Glock really only has one handgun it should be much better. Just my 2c.

Wife got me a g20sf for valentines day. Where they get its a hand cannon I don't know . To me its just ++ 9mm. It really is not a hog hunting gun. . For my birthday today she got me a S&W 460. I love that gun. Got 3 box of ammo free with it. 460s&w mag 454 casull and 45 colt.. Not as much kick as my 500 but you know it went off.

And some people complain about their wives and marriage.

Went to a 4th gen Glock 19 about 18 months ago, put a set of big dot xs sights on it, and stuck it in a Fobus holster. Just a tool for our decadent times.

I was about to buy a Smith M&P, but all I saw was 5 randomly placed white dots when looking through the sights. OTOH on a Glock, I can see a white U of the rear sight. So Glock has to be the choice for these middle-aged eyes.

Glock is a good gun BUT, I think that if the Springfield XD came out before Glock, there would be no Glock today. The XD is MUCH more comfortable, more ergonomic, has a better trigger, many more safety devices and disassembles easier. Glock owners treat their guns like religious icons so I'll get clobbered for this, but I'm an ex police firearms instructor (in Smith & Wesson's own city and county, no less) and I'll take the XD or the M&P over a Glock any day. And I'll take a Sig over any of them. Just my humble opinion, and I do have some credentials.

There are even easier guns to take down than the Glocks such as the Beretta PX4 Storm n M9

Buy a Glock 42 .380 nad you'll become less impressed. Brought one home Friday, cleaned it and took it out to shoot. Failure to feed 5 different brands of flat nose fmj/fmc bullets. Gun became a one shooter as it jammed on every round. Bullet would hang up on bottom of chamber. Fired 4 rounds of HPR 95grain jhp. Same failure to feed. The only cartridges that would work in this gun were Magtech 95 grn. fmj and Blazer alum. case 95 grn fmj.

My first Glock and I'm not at all impressed.

I like Glocks a lot also... My G21SF is fantastic firearm. But I really think it is hyperbole if I concluded that some legendary guns such as the Beretta M9 or SIG P226 mk25 were not as reliable as a Glock.

Buy a Glock 42 .380 and you'll become less impressed. Brought one home Friday, cleaned it and took it out to shoot.

Failure to feed on 5 different brands of flat nose fmj/fmc ammo. Not once in awhile, every round would hang up near the bottom of the chamber. Sometimes the ejected round was not completely out and complicated matters. Same thing happened when firing HPR jhp ammo.

The gun did fire successfully every round of Magtech fmj and Blazer alum cased fmj.

My first Glock and not very impressed.

I'd send it back to Glock and have them check it out. I have 6 Glocks, including a flawless 42, but I sent my 29SF back to Glock before I put 1 round through it. They told the manager of my LGS that the pistol never should've left the factory the way it did. In any event, I got it back in 10 days and I've never had a problem with it.


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I've had three. A G31, meh. A G30SF, same, less than impressive. And the one that swore me off of them for good, a brand new, in the box G17 Gen4, that blew up in the first fifty rounds of factory ammo. To their credit, they replaced the pistol, but I'm done.

In 30 years of police work, they helped me keep mine from departing my body.


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I've owned Glocks for years and never had trigger-slap. That said I bought a G20SF last year and took a non-handgunner friend with me on the initial test fire.....he somehow or other experienced the fabled 'Glock trigger-slap'!

Must really hurt..my pal whined about his trigger finger all the way home..

I've shot the 10mm G20 quite a bit since then and nothing has happened to my trigger finger

Please make purchase based on functionality and not on appearance...in the long run your view history will consist mostly of your sight picture.

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I doubt it. Same can be said for the XD but it's here! I think Glock would still be around.

I despise that grip safety. It's useless and I wouldn't trust it. There have been plenty of instances where they failed or broke during 3 day courses. What really gets me is you can't rack the slide without it. The ergonomics are not an issue to me. Both fit me just fine. And I don't see a difference in trigger. Again both are fine to me. As for Sig, I'll only take a German one.

I like 1911s, so I was with all those who sneer at Glocks - until I tried one. I realized then how elegant they are in their simplicity. So I got a Gen 4 G23. 14 rounds of 40 short and weak in a nice compact package. The thing is nearly as accurate as my best revolvers, and was more accurate out of the box than my Gold Cup was. Contrary to the propaganda, the stock barrel handles properly prepared cast bullet loads just fine. I added a Lone Wolf barrel in 9mm for plinking. I see a lot of comments on how Glocks are "just a tool." That is a high compliment, in my opinion. Mankind would be nothing more than rather delicate apes without tools.

I have probly a larger and slightly more diverse handgun collection than average, spanning S&W, Colt, Korth, Rugers, SIG P210s, Swiss Hämmerlis, Mausers, FN, Radom, and a few more.

I also have Glocks and I do consider myself more of a shooter and reloader than arm chair collector or someone who just packs. I entrusted the well being and life of my family to Glocks and AK's in a very unfriendly Thurd World country.

But after all, they are only guns and the shooting skills and mindset matter more than the hardware.

Pretty well covers it.

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I wasn't fond of the sights either. Swapped them out with XS sights myself. Much nicer, not too pricey.

Looks don't count for a lot with me. I rocked my glock with some after market goodies and added some XS sights, all myself. How many guns makes can the owner do that too? My 23 would be the last gun to leave my side.

I've owned six Glocks - sold two as they were redundant, all have worked fine. The latest, a Glock 42 has been perfect and the smaller size / light weight is just what I have been looking for in an SD pistol for years.

Decades back I used to refuse to buy any pistol that had aluminum on it, as I considered that a crummy substitute for steel. In the 21 century I have grown some and now have come to accept both aluminum and polymer.

Glocks are great pistols, but for some reason there are shooters for whom they just don't work. With modern manufacture it seems unlikely there can be as much difference between individual pistols as there is between individuals.

I completely agree with this analogy. I currently own Glocks, S&W M&Ps, Sigs (including the new P320), HK, Beretta, and SCCY.

I have owned Glocks since the early 90's and they have served me well, got into M&P's in the last 2 years and have bought several, have owned 2 Sigs (226 and 229) for several years, recently bought a P320.

The ones I shoot the most are the Glocks and M&Ps, really don't have a preference between the two. I have a feeling that the P320 will be added to this list, as my first impressions are good. I really don't understand the hatred for Glocks, they are good reliable guns, I don't get emotional about my guns except maybe for my first Glock, a Gen 2 G20. there are pro and cons about each brand. The one thing that Glock has over any of the other brands I own is parts availability, I get frustrated with S&W with there lack of parts that an owner can buy.

Glock and the M&P are like Ford and Chevy when it comes to comparing the two. Both have their loyalist and the Argument will go on forever as which is better.

I love working on Glock's. My last one was a 23 and replaced springs, pins, guide rod, trigger bar, just about anything I could that made it work and look better. Even got a 9mm barrel for it. That said I hate shooting the things. Like holding a 2x4. Can't hit much of anything with one. I sold it to a dude that was joining the locial police force and he just loved all the stuff I had done. Made a nice profit too. Great gun just not for me.

BTW, on Twitter, @GLOCKInc has a tease for something new. Maybe it's another spring recall.

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So what kind of barrel is that in your pistol? Just curious.

I felt that way about "plastic" pistols for years. My very fist center-fire was a full size 1911 (~1991) and for many years I swore I'd never own anything else. Then I started getting into S&W revolvers and over time migrated to shooting DAO all the time and carrying my 442 all the time.

I started getting away from shooting 1911s and actually traded my last one for a model 29-3 a couple weeks ago. Should I admit it ?! I actually don't own a 1911!

About a year and a half ago I picked up a Gen4 G19 just because I wanted to play with the idea of building a glock based SBR. Have yet to start that, but more to the point, the first time I took it out I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn! I could shoot my 442 better at 25 yards than that glock. I was shocked and concerned at first. Then I spoke to a buddy a work who is a glocker. He told me it's all about letting the trigger return only to the reset point. So, I practiced some more and it took. Now, I shoot it great. I love it. And like so many others have said, IT NEVER FAILS.

As far as point-ability is concerned: Back to the 1911. That first 1911 was an A1, with the arched mainspring housing(the back-strap on a 1911). It pointed far better for me than subsequent flat mainspring housing 1911s I owned. The current Gen4 G19, with the out of box regular back-strap, points great for me. Maybe it's the arch or curve...dunno.

Also, my 18 year old son, who has shot a S&W model 15 DAO regularly for the last 4 years or so - took right to the G19. He loves it. BUT, he's never spent much time behind a 1911. He'll have to figure out his own preferences.

So, now I'm a fan. Not that any glock will give me that pride of ownership that a classic S&W revolver does. But they do work.

OH, and I also own an AK clone and IT NEVER FAILs either!

I bought my first Glock in 1992 which was a G20 10mm for concealed carry. I bought a G20 SF and then a G29 SF. I bought a G21 SF .45 ACP and then a second G21 SF and a G30 SF. I bought a G17 9mm and then a second G17 and a G26.

I sold all of them except the one G20 SF at the height of the panic high capacity gun buying phase along with some excess AR inventory and my FNH FN5.7. I used the money to buy old Colt and S&W revolvers and 1911s which were not selling at the time.

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If they're perfect, why do Glocks have so many generations?

To pass on their genes, of course!


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I am rather partial to Glocks as well...I have six of them!

Gen 4 21 ( 2 of them )
20 SF
Gen 4 20
41
29 SF

Waitin' on the 40 to hit the shelves...

It is also highly unlikely you will ever get in a bidding war on GB with someone, over an unfired, NIB Franklin Mint hand engraved commemorative John Wayne edition G23......

I like the Glock, they make a very good 10mm.

Rumor has it, that's the ad for the G43 (probable name for the 9mm Single-Stack).
It's about time.
My G19 is now 25Yrs old (Gen2) and still going strong.
My G26 is only 5Yrs old, but doesn't get any carry time since I got the Shield 3Yrs ago.
When they bring out the 9mm Single-Stack, it may make me trade my Shield... More likely, I'd just keep the Shield and Add it.

My response to the topic of this thread.......I'M NOT!

Wow,

very eloquently written with excellent and convincing arguements for your point of view.

I'm not sure why people love to hate them so much. I own an older 23 and a newer 19. The 19 frequently follows me out of the home, and sits beside my M15 snubby at my bedside.

It is simple, it is accurate (far moreso than my 23 for some reason) and it hasn't had a hiccup yet. Hard to beat that.

I'd never buy a new pistol that I had to do all that stuff to it just to "make it work better". What would be the point of that? That'd be a waste of money far as I'm concerned.

Well... Haters Gonna Hate. Thanks for your most eloquent and insightful reply.

That's pretty much my response to Apex trigger kits and why I never got an M&P FS, or M&Pc.

I've never had to modify any of my Gs, to 'make them work better'. They are still Factory stock. But they are very easy to completely strip down and swap parts, should anyone WANT to.

Glocks are great for everyone, just pick it up and shoot it, no decockers, manual safeties etc. Great for non gun people. My Colt 1911 is a part of me. I can disassemble/reassemble blindfolded and my body and mind react in predictable fashion every time I pick one up. It is a thing of beauty to me as well as a life saver(yes it did), I am old and have arthritis and still have no problem with taking it apart etc. without tools.
Glocks(and all plastic guns) are the next generations gun of choice I think. They are designed to be cheap and work, that is the way of the world now and always will be. I do not recommend the 1911 to many people because they do not want to take the time to learn it, the world has gone ADD I think sometimes.