Marlin Model 17 Pump Shotgun?

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Does anyone know anything about the Marlin Model 17? For one made in 1895, would this be a black powder shotgun only? I've heard of people shooting low brass modern shells in these old guns.

Any member have one? And shoot it? Are parts available anywhere? Any info would be appreciated.
 
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Watchdog are you sure about the date? Blue Book has date for mfg. for Model 17 being 1906-1908 with 30-32 inch barrel or 26 inch with brush gun.
 
Watchdog are you sure about the date? Blue Book has date for mfg. for Model 17 being 1906-1908 with 30-32 inch barrel or 26 inch with brush gun.

No, not sure about the date. Just going by data given on an auction site. I know the rollmark on the barrel lists patents beginning in 1889, and the patent being renewed in 1904. The receiver on this gun has one serial number, and the barrel seems to have a different number. I know absolutely nothing about these guns.

I have looked on a Marlin forum, but info there seems sketchy, and not being a member, I can't view photos.

This particular gun just caught my eye when I was doing a search on an auction site for "riot guns"...looking for old trench guns and stuff...I became curious about the guns, as I'd never even heard of them.

Do you know...are these guns a takedown model?

Thanks for your reply.
 
Marlin 17

I have had several of the old Marlin pump shot guns. Both hammer and hammer less. They all are ok with modern loads.
There are many still in use around here. The full choke in them
are prized for turkey shoots & squirrel hunting. That's the good
news. Parts are hard to come by and they have plenty of parts
in them. The last parts I was able to get were from Numerich.
They are good guns but it has been a long time since I have
seen one that wasn't well used.
 
Parts

I was just talking to guy who said he got a main spring for a 17
a couple years ago from Jack First Dist.Inc. I have the catalogs
but they are 25 yrs old. I think they are still in business.
 
The Model 17 Marlin was a very short lived (3 years) model..1906, 07, 08.
Solid frame only, straight grip only IIRC.
A-grade, Brush Gun and Riot Gun

A Grade came with 30 or 32" bbl,,full choke and was chambered for 2 3/4" (though 2 5/8 was the more common 12ga shell of the day)

Brush Gun was 26" cyl choke though you could spec order Full or Mod choke bbls.

Riot was a 20" cyl bbl.

Slide latch release button on the right rear side of the frame was moved to the bottom in front of the guard when a 'hang fire safety' was added to the gun. These were cataloged as Model 17G shotguns.

With this, you have to use the slide latch to open the gun on the event of a dry fire or 'dud' round. Several other Marlin hammer pumps and all of their hammerless pump models have this feature.
Some other mfg of the period also incorporate this in their design at least for a while. I guess ammo wasn't too trustworthy!!

Marlins Model 19 shotgun was made during the same period and was everything the Model 17 was but a Takedown as well. The Model 19 was their main seller during that time and was offered in different high grades and as well as a Trap gun (as a Model 21).

With all that said,,I personally don't trust the Marlin 'hammer' pump shotguns for shooting.
The lock-up is flimsy at best and in all but a couple the breech bolt can close and the hammer drop and fire w/o it's locking bolt being engaged.
There is really not much that holds the breech block from exiting the frame to the rear except the small interlock betw the pump op-rod and the block.
I know a lot of them are shot and continue to be, but call me silly, but I like the ugly face God gave me.
Having worked in the Repair Dept at Marlin many years ago where these were strictly a 'No Repair' because of the design faults & seeing the examples they had on hand where the bolt had left the frame because of the lockup failure made me a believer.

Their Hammerless pumps are no problem as they have a bolt to rec'vr lockup similar to most any other pump shotgun,,in the roof of the rec'vr. Just take it easy on the loads, none are very young anymore.
JMHO of course. Take it for what it's worth...
 
DON'T SHOOT IT !

Watchdog: 2152hq has all the right answers for you. I wanted to emphasize his warning about the bolt blowing back in your face! It didn't happen to me with a model 24, but when I read of the possibility I stopped shooting mine & I was using low pressure black powder loads.

Hank M.
 
I own one that belonged to my great-grandfather. Obviously very well used as he dragged it thru the fields of Indiana in the nineteen-teens and twenties. Have never fired it as I have the same reservations about putting modern ammo thru it and tye fact that I don't "need" to shoot it. It's a convo piece
 

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