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Anyone else see the similarities? Looks interesting though.
Anyone else see the similarities? Looks interesting though.
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Shield clone?
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Very similar, even down to the magazine. I'm afraid they may be a little too late, anyone interested in that type of pistol already owns a shield.
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Wont be as good as orignal shield...get the original
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It doesn't look like a Shield to me.
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Not sure what the deal is with the short slide model. Good looking firearms though. Some similarities to the Shield, it's got too high a price point to compete with the shield market though.
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The "short slide" model is actually a "long frame" model. The extension is billed as a "standoff" device. Silliness in the extreme.
I can see a Shield resemblance externally, not only in the frame, but the magazine.
Of course, there was more than a passing resemblance between the SIGMA and the FN Forty-Nine, if I recall the name correctly.
I would not be surprised if S&W's polymer molding facility is not supplying the frame and S&W's magazine supplier is not supplying the magazine tubes.
Unless the new model is equal quality and $100.00 less than the Shield, I will stay with S&W.
I can see a Shield resemblance externally, not only in the frame, but the magazine.
Of course, there was more than a passing resemblance between the SIGMA and the FN Forty-Nine, if I recall the name correctly.
I would not be surprised if S&W's polymer molding facility is not supplying the frame and S&W's magazine supplier is not supplying the magazine tubes.
Unless the new model is equal quality and $100.00 less than the Shield, I will stay with S&W.
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A "knock off" or a "clone" is just that - a design that is the same as, or insubstantially different form, a source design.
Nobody can make a claim that the Honor Guard is a clone of the Shield unless they examine both guns in detail.
We have a new American gun manufacture hitting the market. To burden them with speculative and ill-informed accusations of a being a knock off is disappointing.
Did he JUST say they scan parts to help in their design?
Did they digitally scan a shield and build a duplicate?
He said the company has partnered only with American companies, and specifies domestic steel. The company also announced it has partnered with GoMeasure3D, based in Amherst, Va., to integrate the use of 3D scanning in the development of its new line of pistols. The systems use structured light technology, which is ideal for designing small parts used in many industries—from assembly lines to machining centers.
"With a single scan, our equipment captures approximately 1 million data points per second, with an accuracy of 34 microns per scan, said Ramey. “They've made our design processes faster and allowed us to raise the bar on quality," said Ramey.
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That's what's in the article. [[But with respect to the price of tea in China?]]
I must have missed the remark about the Shield. If they did "digitally scan a shield," they need to calibrate the scanner, because to me, it looks a lot different from a Shield. Also, the Shield is virtually marked by S&W's patent notices, so to scan and copy a Shield would be about the most monumentally stupid business decision one could make for a new product roll out.
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I just happened to notice some of the many similarities to the Shield and thought this pistol was interesting. Not planning on replacing my proven and respected S&W Shield. They did however add a few things to the design such as ambi controls and adjustable back strap which many people have commented that they wanted on the Shield. Nothing wrong with clones either, look at the many excellent CZ clones and what about the 1911? To me... more guns and more manufacturers in the USA is a good thing.
With a weight of 22oz that a heavy single stack polymer pistol . Its same weight as a m&p9c . The shield or most any other single stack 9mm polymer are lighter loaded than this pistol empty . But with a price that's 50 bucks higher than a Shield and many other single stacks they will have a tough market to crack .
To bad that a American made firearms will also have the same name as a chromed and better finished Norico SKS called the "Honor Guard "
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To bad that a American made firearms will also have the same name as a chromed and better finished Norico SKS called the "Honor Guard "
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Did not like this pistol until SHOT where I got a chance to examine it up close.It is like a SIG P320 with a chassis inside that holds the fire control group. It may be same size as a Shield, but it has alot more features and shoots alot better. The ambi controls were a nice feature too. And no trigger pull or tool needed for takedown. I am buying one, alot nicer than I would have thought.
Well... as a Smith Fan... almost every striker fired pistol is a bit of a Glock clone - polymer frame, striker fired, usually some type of safety on the trigger. I'm not saying they are inferior, just functional duplicates.
They all have their own flavor and all have their good and bad points. I bought a Smith M&P after firing a lot of rounds through Smiths, Glocks and a Springfield Armory or two. So I must have liked the Smith better...
The designers of these guns may have scanned some Smith or Glock or SA parts and saved on drafting costs and linkage design costs, but hopefully they built a lot of prototypes and fired a lot of rounds and learned what broke first. Also hopefully they did not copy patent protected features, or Smith and Glock and SA's lawyers will remind them of their transgressions.
Anyway more power to them, and their funky looking standoff device. If you push hard on the front of a Smith/Glock/SA does it go out of battery and refuse to fire? I never tried it. If the answer is "yes" I'd like to see some painfully sharp edges on that standoff device. Still it looks pretty crazy.
They all have their own flavor and all have their good and bad points. I bought a Smith M&P after firing a lot of rounds through Smiths, Glocks and a Springfield Armory or two. So I must have liked the Smith better...
The designers of these guns may have scanned some Smith or Glock or SA parts and saved on drafting costs and linkage design costs, but hopefully they built a lot of prototypes and fired a lot of rounds and learned what broke first. Also hopefully they did not copy patent protected features, or Smith and Glock and SA's lawyers will remind them of their transgressions.
Anyway more power to them, and their funky looking standoff device. If you push hard on the front of a Smith/Glock/SA does it go out of battery and refuse to fire? I never tried it. If the answer is "yes" I'd like to see some painfully sharp edges on that standoff device. Still it looks pretty crazy.
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