My Norinco originally had the thumb hole stock, changed out by the previous owner so I do believe it was a post gun. The loop on the front sight was also cut away for some reason, perhaps to make it look like a pre weapon, who knows.

Here's my Century Polish 1960 milled receiver. I changed the foregrip to a quad rail system and they rear stock to get a longer LOP. Originals were wood. I've heard some good some bad about Centurys but this ones been 100%.

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Isaiah 41:10

AK-47 fan due to the fact that it was originally approved for production on the day I was born: 11/13/47. Three of mine:




Circa 1953 Russian Type III - built by Mario of Piece of History Firearms (Tucson AZ) on a full Russian parts kit.


2007 Vector Factory SBR - M92


Arsenal SLR-106CR - 5.56 – limited edition made to be converted to SBR

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Bill - SWCA #2327

Having read a number of posts from Arik regarding AK-47's and their variants I would hold his opinion in high esteem. I also agree with him the AK-47 platform is much more accurate than their reputation would suggest.

My point was not that the Saiga and VEPR were significantly different from other AK-47's (they're not). My point was to let the original poster know there are subtle differences ("not exactly") among various AK-47's. I recall examining a 7.62 x 39 VEPR about 3-4 years ago that required proprietary magazines but cannot comment on the most recent offerings.

Hellraiser makes a good point about rifles that are AK-47's at their heart. Valmet is another example.

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Scoundrel & Ne'er-Do-Well

I really appreciate the brisk discussion on the merits of both the AK47 vs. AR15, however the decision on purchasing an AK47 was overcome by events. I went to a gun show today in Mobile, AL and stopped about 1/2 way through at several long tables covered with black rifles. I had looked at several AK47s in the $700 to 2K price range. My goal was to scan the entire show and compare prices and guns, however the black gun table was having a sale of epic proportions. Folks were lined up to buy one and I was no.4 at 2pm. I came home with a S&W M&P 15 with electronic optics, forward grip handle, mags, (all NIB) and ammo out the door for less than $750, including taxes, and CC charges. Now, I have to relearn how to put it together. Last time I had one of these type rifles in my hands it was 1972. Thanks guys for your input, I think there will be an AK in my future.

This rotary bolt action(Saiga) lubed with moly. On the bolt, gas tube/piston, trigger sear is a completely different feeling rifle. The moly removes the roughness and smoothes the action right out. Even the trigger feels good.

I have never shot a semi auto rifle that spits out rounds this fast. I was seconds away from buying a new SA M1A ($2,100) when I seen the rack full of brand new Russian Izmash Saiga's for $289 in 308win. I'm glad I passed on the M1A.

Gotta love it when a military rifle comes equipped with a bottle opener!