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Gander mtn had a 1903 A3...
They wanted $5499 for it. I asked them why it was so much, I didn't think they went for that much.
I think it was an A3, it was parkerized, not blue. Manufacturer was Springfield armory.
I was told that the reason for the high price is all the serial numbers match. It didn't appear to me to be a pristine example, it had some dings.
It did not have the peep rear sight, so maybe it isn't an A3. I'm not an e pert on Springfield values, but 5500 seems like a lot. I already have an 03A3, so I'm not interested in it, just curious.
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1. Did the employees at Gander Mountain have a glassy far away look in their eyes?
2. Were their hands twitching?
3. Did they have trouble standing ?
4. Was there a spaceship hovering over the store ?
If "Yes" to the above questions--RUN, RUN, HIDE !
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They wanted $5499 for it. I asked them why it was so much, I didn't think they went for that much.
I think it was an A3, it was parkerized, not blue. Manufacturer was Springfield armory.
I was told that the reason for the high price is all the serial numbers match. It didn't appear to me to be a pristine example, it had some dings.
It did not have the peep rear sight, so maybe it isn't an A3. I'm not an e pert on Springfield values, but 5500 seems like a lot. I already have an 03A3, so I'm not interested in it, just curious.
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***Perhaps the "Being" that applied the price tag forgot to put a period/dot between the two nines ?
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IF it had the forward ladder sight it was NOT an A3, it was an older example. If it didn't have the forward sight then in may have been the WWII Sniper Rifle. While I'm not anywhere close to knowledgeable on the variations of the 1903 Springfield it may be possible that the Sniper Version with it's scope and mount might be worth 5K to a collector.
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IF it had the forward ladder sight it was NOT an A3, it was an older example. If it didn't have the forward sight then in may have been the WWII Sniper Rifle. While I'm not anywhere close to knowledgeable on the variations of the 1903 Springfield it may be possible that the Sniper Version with it's scope and mount might be worth 5K to a collector.
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It had the forward ladder sight. No scope mount. It had a straight stock. The front of the stock had a cutout on top.
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No way it was worth $5499.00 then.
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No way it was worth $5499.00 then.
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Not sure if cutout is the right description. It looked like it came from the factory that way. There was about a half inch window on the muzzle end of the stock with a parkerized bezel.
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Sure it wasn't an A4 - the sniper rifle? But no rear sight or front sight on those. They are far more desirable than the standard A3, and are pretty costly, but still, that price seems excessive to me, even if it had the original scope and mount.
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A Springfield 1903A3 with matching numbers would be a very rare and valuable rifle, as none were ever built. Remington and Smith Corona built all of the 03A3s.
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Remington made some M1903s with the barrel-mounted sight in the early days of WWII before production of the 03A3 started. The design was simplified into the 03A3 to simplify and speed production and lower cost. I cannot imagine any M1903 (or 03A3) having anywhere near that price. But there are some really scarce early M1903s, such as the first ones using the M1903 cartridge. Nearly all of those were later modified to take the M1906 cartridge, and very, very few escaped modification. Ditto those with the built-in spike bayonet.
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I found a picture of a 1903 and an A3. It looked like the top picture, so it was definitely not an A3.
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Did it have MARK I stamped on the receiver near the serial number? That would make it valuable, but I don't think that high unless it had the Pederson device with it.
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Did it have MARK I stamped on the receiver near the serial number? That would make it valuable, but I don't think that high unless it had the Pederson device with it.
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I didn't look at it close enough to see any proof marks, serial numbers, or anything.
It was not one of the really early blued ones, although it did have a blued bolt.
The stock was slightly different than the picture, I don't think it had the scalloped sides.
Is the Pederson device the thing that turned into a semi-auto?
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Sounds about $4600 too high...
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Yes on the Pederson device. There was a cut out on the left side of the receiver for ejection.
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I am thinking they meant to price it at $549.99 sooner or later someone will realize the mistake, they are going to have to because I don't think anyone will be paying over $5k for an 03A3 or 1903
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Gander Mtn. is sky high on every thing. I was in there a while back and they had a Ruger LCP with the stainless slide that msrp is $289. for $399. I told them they were crazy and bought one from my local gun shop for $250.00.
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I went in the other day to look at the used stuff ( For some reason they have a deal on used guns once in awhile. Usually blued stuff, stainless is gold for them I guess ). They had a current 686 used, and wanted $700 for it. A new one down the counter was at $750. The stainless smiths are always that way in there..but yet I found a 19-5,blued with rubbers on it awhile back for $399. Go figure.
They also had a 1903 in that store...but I think the price tag was $ 3499.00 on that one. The WW2 stuff gets a higher price nowadays...but still sheesh.
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A Mark I Springfield with a Pedersen Device, magazines, and the metal device carrying case would probably bring that price, or more, as there are very few of them around. Not so the Mark I itself. I have seen quite a few of those. Virtually all Pedersen Devices were destroyed back in the 1930s, but a few workable ones were built from scrapped demilled components. Few may know Pedersen Device prototypes were also made for both the Russian Nagant and the U. S. M1917 Enfield. The war ended before that project took off. Pedersen ammunition is fairly common in collector circles.
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Our local American Legion Post has the Mark 1's that we use for honor guard duty. We considered using M1's but since the Post is named after two WW1 vets KIA in France, we thought it fitting to keep the 1903's.
But if they're worth anywhere near $5k, I can almost bet were going to M1's.
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It's Gander Mountain, they can screw up most anything...
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Our local American Legion Post has the Mark 1's that we use for honor guard duty. We considered using M1's but since the Post is named after two WW1 vets KIA in France, we thought it fitting to keep the 1903's.
But if they're worth anywhere near $5k, I can almost bet were going to M1's.
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I'm not up on the current going rate for Mark Is, but the value premium over a common M1903 is probably not anywhere near that great. I think there were somewhat more Mark Is made than there were Pedersen Devices, and they were not destroyed. Different story if the Mark I has the device with it.
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A few years ago in GM I saw what was labeled as a M27 in their display counter. After examining it I found it was a pre-27. It looked unfired and came with a tooled holster. I rushed home to get my pistol permit and some money and snapped it up at the listed price of $299.00.
Then, came the problem.....
The computer file at the cash resister showed a "problem". The salesman wouldn't elaborate, but tried to convince me to buy something else. Said there was an issue with the file. I wouldn't budge and insisted that it was labeled at $299 and I would wait until the file got fixed and I expected to pay that price. An hour later I left with it.
I figure it was supposed to be $1299.
I am not complaining. Six months later I got a 95% 14-1 (with box) for $199.00 at the same store.
GM is my favorite place.....LOL.
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The computer file at the cash resister showed a "problem". The salesman wouldn't elaborate, but tried to convince me to buy something else. Said there was an issue with the file. I wouldn't budge and insisted that it was labeled at $299 and I would wait until the file got fixed and I expected to pay that price. An hour later I left with it.
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Good for you. Persistence paid off.
My gun purchases at the local GM has been zero. All used guns I've seen weren't on par with the $5500 1903 the OP mentioned but were either over-priced or mismarked.
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I hear tales of GM selling pristine Glock 17's for $299, but like the original poster, I only seem to find the Ruger 10/22s marked at $950. Does not hurt to look.
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I read about such tales of buyer's good fortune at GM but the one time I was looking at a clean used older S&W that was overpriced and improperly listed in the description as to what it was, I casually and politely mentioned to the weight-challenged posterior female clerk of the mistake and could tell pretty quick that I was wasting my time and breath as I doubt she knew the difference between a glock and gold cup. So I handed the gun back to her and quietly went on my way.
Maybe some day I'll be more fortunate.
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Our local American Legion Post has the Mark 1's that we use for honor guard duty. We considered using M1's but since the Post is named after two WW1 vets KIA in France, we thought it fitting to keep the 1903's.
But if they're worth anywhere near $5k, I can almost bet were going to M1's.
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Uhhh - if the post got them from the Department of the Army, they are on loan and by Federal law, cannot be sold.
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Uhhh - if the post got them from the Department of the Army, they are on loan and by Federal law, cannot be sold.
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You're correct but the info that can be located on these are from 1947 and are not listed with TACOM.
I had heard another Post had Krags (don't recall model) that also weren't listed in the system. Who knows?
ETA: Regardless, the 03's aren't going anywhere.
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Back in my old home town the American Legion post rifles were all chrome (maybe nickel) plated Krags with stocks painted white.
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Normally, one would expect chain stores to beat mom-and-pop stores on price. My experience at GM is that I can almost always do better at the LGS.
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