I had these out a few months back and snapped a quick pick. Those represented: WW2, post war, Ranger mfg. A few rare ones including a 5th variation RSHA SS, a Nivel(electroless nickel) PPK/s in 22 lr and a PP Super in 9mmK. I'm still looking for a nice pre-war.

just this non matching AC code rig.

I have a few.

I have a pair of Manurhin made PPs, both are police surplus and both are in 7.65mm Browning:



I have a ranger made PPK/s as well as the newer S&W version (which I like a lot less), both in .380 ACP:



I have a German military proofed British L66A1 in .22 LR, which is a military version of the PP in .22 LR:



I have a Walther/Umarex made PPK/S .22LR - which believe it or not shoots just as well as my PP in .22LR:



I also have a few FEG pistols, which are PP and PPK/S clones. An AP9S (top) an APK9S (middle) and an APK7S (bottom):




The AP9S and APK9S are chambered in .380 ACP/9mm Kurz and are well made steel frame commercial pistols, made to very high specifications for Interarms.

The APK7S is the same commercial design, this one made to slightly lower specs for TGI and chambered in .32 ACP/7.65 Browning

The AP series pistols are PP clones and the APK is a PPK/S clone. They have roots in the PA-63 and earlier PP clone military pistols made by FEG, so the frames are slightly larger and heavier as the originals were chambered in 9mm Makarov.

I have a PPKS.380, and its quite a nice shooter. I also have a Indian Arms .380 which is a stainless copy of the PPK, which I got in the early 1970s! The Indian was carried for a while as a CCW!

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Carry mine every day and try of shoot at least 11 rounds daily, the more I shoot it the more I like it. Not one failure using CCI minimags in 9 years, except when I neglect to clean it once every few months.

I don't have any, but one of my friends has a pre-WW2 Walther PP in .22LR. We have shot it at the range, and I like it. Change that to I LIKE IT !!

I have a WWII PP in .32 with Eagle N marks. Sorry, no pictures.

I have this PPK in 7.65, not for sale.

They are great pistols, I collect them too.

Here's mine.



1. PP 7.65 Made in West Germany 1983. Imported by Century International Arms.
2. PPK/S .380 Made in West Germany 1976. Imported by Interarms.
3. PPK Interarms/Ranger 1997.
4. PPK/S .22 Walther/Umarex 2013

Only one I have, a .32 Manurhin police turn in. One of my early C&R purchases.

Got a Interarms PPK/s in about 1984 but traded it; for and carried, a stainless Walther/Interarms PPK in .380 as my suit gun from about 1986 to 91 when a S&W 3913 took its place.

Still have that PPK if I ever need a Tux gun........ found a lnib blue Interarms PPK in .380 a few years back and a stainless PPK/s in , 32apc w/ 4 magazines last year.......................

.....just bad influences from Dr No and J Bond when I was about 10!!!!!!

Just this one- I had a .22 PP when I was a teenager, I sold it for $30 more than I paid for it and spent the next 45 years wishing I hadn't. A friend sold me this one so no more regrets and it's not for sale, not even for a $30 profit.
James Bond/Ian Fleming pointed me to Berns-Martin holsters but that's a whole other story.
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I carry a Smith made PPKS with Crimson Trace grips. Great combination if I ever have to use it in poor light conditions. Perfect pistol to carry, very light, lays flat against the body and easy to conceal.

That's a hard one to find as most were in 9mmK.

I always had a soft spot for the ppk. You have German craftsmanship and the whole 007 thing. What's not to like? James Bond and Harry Callahan probably sold more guns than we can imagine. Here is a 1965 PPK that I recently found.

I had a prewar PP with a slightly dented magazine. Was a poor student and wasn't able to buy new mags which would probably have fixed its jamming issue.

But it shot VERY well for a small gun. Groups at 25 yards could be covered by the palm of my hand.

I read that German police experienced jams about once per 50 rounds, and wasn't too sure about reliability with US ctg. rims.

I sold it and got a M-34 Beretta .380. The Beretta was flawless in operation, but didn't shoot quite as well as the PP, largely due to a very heavy trigger pull.

I came to favor three-inch barreled .38 revolvers in this role and haven't bought any more small autos.

But if I had the loose money, I'd try another Walther.

I have had several Nazi marked PPs. Always traded them off. Last
year bought one and decided to keep it for carry. Guns functions
well and shoots good at 25'. It has a glitch, you have to depress
mag release to insert mag. Haven't had time to strip it and fix
problem.

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I have an Interarms PPK/s, a post-war .32 PP and a pre war .22 PP in nickel.

The PP series pistols use a fixed barrel, and that helps produce very good accuracy.

In contrast, the Beretta pistols use an open top slide design that facilitates excellent reliability.

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I've found the FEG AP and APK pistols use a slightly larger chamber and throat which helps them feed just about any ammo type, even .312-.313 cast bullets loaded into thicker walled European brass. In .32 ACP I'll have to post size those rounds for reliable feeding in a PP, but the FEGs just swallow them no problem. The tradeoff however is slightly reduced accuracy.

West German police surplus PP, made 1964.

I have one I picked up at a local show a few years ago. A 1964 Model PP in 32ACP with holster and shoulder straps. Police turn-in from Hamburg, Germany. I carry it often in a small holster.

Here's my 1964 Walther PPK-L in .22 LR. The L stands for Leicht (light). It has an aluminum frame. This gun is surprisingly accurate and has been totally reliable.

I have been on the lookout for a -L for sometime. Would prefer .22 but would take a .32 as well.

I'm intrigued by the .22 now. but I cant stand seeing interarms import marks

While I would not miss the interarms mark, I find it still shoots very well, is my favorite carry pistol and the mark has not hurt a thing when it comes to function.

For some years I had been on the quest for a perfect country
western 22 on 32 frame. Thought it would be a nicer carry than
a 34. I believe I went through about all of them, even putting
Adj, sights on models that didn't have them. Never found one
that compared to accuracy of a kit gun. I had Astras, Star, PP
Bernadelli, Unique, Styer, MAB, Llama, and several more of the
Excam, Erma copies of Berreta and Walther. Some of them shot
fair, but not good enough for my purposes. The closest I came
was a S&W 422 4", but that is a bigger frame. I recently gave
up and went back to Kit Gun. The purpose of the gun was to
carry when engaged in chores and other things other than hunting or shooting. If those were my intentions I would be
carrying a K22.

I love the Walther PP line, incredible history, spectacular workmanship and a true work of art. I've been very lucky to find some extraordinary Walthers over the years including some pristine prewar PPK in .32 & .22, a NIB German PP .22 from 1963, various wartime PPK's and one of my favorites, a super rare PP-L Sport 2 Manurhin Target gun with spur hammer, compensator and 83/8" barrel in 99%+.

I have no idea how to post pics but if you send me a PM I'll be happy to send them.

There are no importer's marks on mine.

Why? I'm considering a stainless PPK .380, either one of the new ones from Walther USA or a used S&W or Interarms.

Was considering one of these as they have a threaded muzzle. My PPK-L is too valuable to molest. However, I'm not finding reviews of the Umarex rimfires after they've been used a while. I've heard they are made from die cast zinc? Can you go into detail with your experiences with yours, please?

I had exactly one PP and liked it better than any pre-S&W PPK. If a PP with the extended tang is ever offered I'd buy one.

Sure...

I have over 2000 rounds through mine and it's generally not picky about ammo. The only semi-auto .22 I have that is less picky is my Beretta Model 71. (which given that the current Israeli surplus Model 71s come pre-threaded, would be my first choice for a suppressed pistol given that it's already threaded although the PPKS come in a close second as its also easily adapted to a suppressor with the use of a readily available threaded barrel nut:



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The PPK/S .22 LR uses Zamak alloy in the frame and slide and this is a zinc alloy.

Detractors call it "pot metal" but there's a critical difference. Pot metal isn't all that dimensionally stable and cracks over time, but that's due to the high level of impurities in pot metal.

Zamak, and in particular the Zamak alloys used in firearms have a very high degree of purity and won't warp or crack over time.

As an example, the Ithaca Model 49 and 72 lever action .22 rifles made in the 1960s and 1970s were made with a Zamak alloy frame, and you'll still find them in use today.

Similarly, the Henry lever action .22 is very popular now and it has a large number of fans who swear by its utility and durability. But guess what? It's just a slightly rewarmed version of the Ithaca Model 72 lever action complete with Zamak alloy frame (with a cosmetic metal receiver cover).

There are also people who claim the PPK/S .22 LR is not a PPK/S at all but rather a P22 in PPK/S clothing. That's not true either. The only resemblance to the P22 is the use of a barrel liner with a barrel nut on the end to retain it.

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Let's compare my L66A1 version of the Walther PP in .22 LR with the PPK/S .22 LR:




Removing the slide shows the general PP layout. You'll notice that the PPK/S .22 LR uses a steel barrel shroud which includes the chamber face, an area where Zamak alloy would not wear as well. The barrel shroud has a P22 style barrel liner through it, with the barrel nut holding it in tension, but the shroud itself is retained in the frame just like the barrel in the PP or in a PPK/S.










In both pistols the .22 LR cartridge requires a lighter slide. That's done in the PP by thinning the sides of the steel slide, and in the PPK/S .22LR it's done by using Zamak alloy. The slides of the two are otherwise very similar.




The lockwork is clearly PP series and while you'll see minor differences in execution and the lack of some refinements like a loaded chamber indicator, it is still clearly a PP series pistol.





The small parts show a little less attention to detail in finish, compared to a PP, but that's understandable at the price point, and in terms of function, mine has held up just fine for welder 2000 rounds. You'll note here that they've created a cover of the normal open space under the grip, in order to add weight to the frame and keep it closer to the PPK/S in over all feel.




The magazine design on the PPK/S is vastly superior to the PP's .22 LR magazine. Any one who has owned a PP in .22 LR will tell you that it's really an 8 round magazine and isn't reliable with more than 8 loaded in it. In contrast the PPK/S .22 LR is an honest 120 round .22 pistol. The trade off is a longer magazine however and you won't have the option of a flush floor plate - at least in a factory magazine (there are a couple people who'll modify them).

The new magazine is also more reliable as it lets the cartridges splay a little farther, and the angle of the rounds is greater so that rim lock is not as big an issue. The magazines are also readily available and don't cost $110-$125 each like a PP magazine in .22 LR.





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As noted before, my PPK/S .22LR is just as reliable as my PP, but with 10 rounds rather than 8. It's just as accurate, and it's not as ammo sensitive as my PP.

Now...will it ever be an heirloom or collectors item? Probably not any more so than an Ithaca 72 or a Henry .22 LR. But it is none the less a very fun little pistol to shoot that has held up to well over 2000 rounds so far with no significant wear.

And for the money it's hard to beat as they seem to be going out the door now for around $300-$325. That's less than half of what you'd pay for a PP in .22 LR, but it's about the same as what the rapidly drying up Beretta Model 71 pistols are selling for at the moment.

Great looking guns!

Here's my one and only, 1967 non-import marked, PPK/L and it's "alligator" box:

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It's definitely a YMMV question .. but my '67 .22 PPK-L has always been good full up with my several PPK and PP magazines.

Thanks for the encouraging review of the PPK/S.

Here’s my PP, still a great shooter. The grips have been replaced with period correct replacements. It came with Pachmayr grips and that’s just wrong on a 1929 first year of production Walther PP.

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The only one I have left is a 1937 or 38 mfg PPK in 32acp. Nazi Eagle/C Police marked.
Came to me in a brown leather flap holster, Nazi marked and maker marked.. Two magazines. Shoots great , very accurate even out to 50yrds.
I've had several PPK, PP pistols. Favorites were a couple 1960's vintage 22cal PPK and PP pistols in their original boxes w/ extra mags ect.
The PP was non InterArms marked as it was orig bought by a GI while in W Germany and brought home.
The PPK 22 I carried for many years and traded it for a deluxe Marlin Model 97 lever action rifle. Still miss the PPK but the rifle is outstanding too. Several PPk and PP 32's and a couple PP 380's came and went,,all war-time issues.

Bought an arm load of the Euro Police trade ins when they came on the market in the 90's. Sold all of them. Bought some really cheap ones from AIM that were sold AS-IS, but all they needed was to be properly re-assembled. I think one needed a slide catch spring which I had.
Too late now,,but I wish I'd have kept maybe one or two of them!

I missed a chance to buy a PPK in 6.35mm (25acp) about 20 yrs ago as I didn't have the cash with me at the moment,, the next guy did.. It was missing the magazine and needed some love,,but it's a rare pistol. Very few PP and PPK made in 25acp.
(The magazine is a Model 8 Walther mag inserted inside the PPK mag body, so it could have been assembled.)
That's one gun I really regret missing out on.

Never had a PPK/S nor one of the later licensed copies of the PPK.
Still like 'em. Who knows I may even buy another if I see one I like.
They look nice engraved..

BB57 thanks for the detailed write up and pics!

Left to right are Iver Johnson .22, Interarms SS .380 PPK, Excam .22lr, Interarms blue .380 PPK


Sidebar is the Hk-4 that is interchangeable to fire .22lr, .25 ACp, .32 ACP and .380 ACP

Will PP or PPK/S magazines work in the FEG made clones?

Afraid not. They only work in Walthers.

For you Walther guys, my LGS has a Model 8 complete with holster. PM me if you want the phone number.

Just linked this on the Walther forum. Thanks for the info. How's the condition? Price?

I will have to look closely at the condition and check the price.

Thanks bud. I'll post any info on the Walther forum. If you can take pics or get the serial number too that would be sweet.

.32 ACP Walther PPs are plentiful and had at some time flooded the surplus market. Over the years I had several of the early Zella-Mehlis Waffenamt proofed guns and post-war Manurhin pistols. Most of them were quite accurate and reliable but for me as a reloader retrieving the brass was a nightmare and I always sold them off again.

I also had a Manurhin PP Sport in .22 l.r. and played with grips and barrel weights but finally sold it to a more deserving collector who needed it to fill a void in his Walther collection.

I have a very early PP in .22 l.r. that was one of the earliest Walther PPs in that calibre. I got that gun in the 1980s and it enjoyed shooting this accurate and reliable fun pistol until I gave it to my son for his 21st birthday. I have dozen magazines for it and it is still in my safe.

A friend who is a toolmaker made the weight for me and I finished and rust blued it.


The Manurhin PP Sport without barrel weight, regular grips and magazine shoe and the Zella-Mehlis Walther PP with its 90° safety.


Of all the .32 ACPs that I had at the same time and compared, the Walther PP was the one that I could shoot most accurately.

Bunch of years ago I found one of the French made Manhurin PP's in 32 acp. Had a couple boxes of Federal 32 auto and off to the range we went. Rapid fire, slow fire not one problem in feeding or ejecting and the little pistol is quite accurate as well. Definitely a little classic. Frank

From 1952 when post war production of the PP restarted until 1986, all the Walther PP, PPK and PPK/S pistols were made by Manurhin (with the exception of those made by Ranger beginning in 1978).

In essence, with Germany prohibited from making small arms, except under very limited, tightly controlled or unusual circumstances (such as the French order of P.38 pistols to arm an influx of mostly former SS into the Foreign Legion), Walther out sourced manufacture of the PP series pistols to Manurhin.

Manurhin, short for Manufacture de Machines du Haut-Rhin, was located, obviously, in Haut-Rin in France which was in the Alsace-Lorraine region of France that had been annexed by Germany in 1871 and stayed that way until 1918.

Under this arrangement, Walther forged the frames and slides and then exported them to Manurhin, who made all the small parts and then did all the machining, roll marking, heat treating, polishing, and finish work on the slides and frames, as well as the final assembly, and quality assurance checks.

Beginning in 1953 the PP pistol was imported into the US by Tholson Co. and then starting in 1956 it was imported by Interarms and this continued until 1984. From 1984 to 1986 Manurhin began importing them directly to the US as well and these pistols are different from the Walther marked guns, as they will have Manurhin stamped on the left front of the slide, and also no Interarms roll mark on then right side.

After 1960 when restrictions eased, Walther started "making" PP series pistols again, but this was only a minor modification of it's arrangement with Manurhin. In essence, the only difference was that the slides were not roll marked, heat treated or finished by Manurhin, but instead shipped to Walther who then roll marked them, heat treated them via an induction current process, and then finished the slides and assembled the pistols on Manurhin finished frames with Manurhin made small parts. This qualified as "made in Germany" as under German law it was the roll mark that constituted manufacture of the pistol. This is also why you'll find post war to 1986 Walther pistols with blued slides and frames that don't quite match.

In 1986, Walther Walther ended their agreement with Manurhin and finally began making their pistols entirely on their own. And generally speaking the quality was lower.

Meanwhile, as noted above, back in the US Ranger started making the PPK and PPK/S under license in 1978 and these pistols were sold through Interarms.

While serving as a forward observer in WW2, my dad recovered this PPK. Have no idea how he was able to get it home.

Serial number 235553 K....anyone have an idea when it was produced? I think it was probably a pre-war pistol. I remember reading that quality suffered as the war went on. One resource I read indicated it was manufacured in 1939.



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The serial number places it near the end of 1939, probably around November, so not strictly "pre-war", but certainly before quality started to fall off.

Generally speaking it was not hard to bring back a captured German pistol after WWII, it just involved some paperwork, and if you can find that paper it will add to the value of the pistol.

My father was a lineman with the 71st Infantry Division and brought this PP back from Germany.

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