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You have the Navy marked one, called a MK II. Those had plastic or fiber sheaths, not the leather one used by the USMC.


I'm not a specialized collector, but I THINK all USN marked ones are of WWII vintage. This does not mean that they weren't used much later, too.


I suspect, don't know, that the Navy may have later ordered some not having USN markings. These knives have been used by many diverse US military forces.
 
To add to TEXAS STAR's comments, it has all the appearances of a later WW 2 Mark 2. The early knives till around mid 1943, from what I can ascertain, were blade marked. Later ones were hilt marked like yours. I do have to kind of disagree with his scabbard comments. The navy did have some leather sheaths and I always assumed but do not know for fact, that the leather sheaths were for early knives. I have several leather sheathes with USN impressed near the throat of the sheath. But as a youth me and my buds would got to the local army surplus store and rummage through his knives. He had buckets of mark 1's and 2's for sale for $5 each. We would pull them from their sheathes and find the best knife the find the best sheath and marry them up. We took no pains in returning the original knife to the original sheath. We and others like us are the reason their is so much confusion in knife sheaths.
 
I think the fiberglass sheaths came from a separate vender, I think ka-bar supplied leather sheaths with the knives or just bare knives.

The Navy bought mkII knives from other makers as well. I usually see them from Robeson or Camillus. A USN Ka-bar like yours is a nice find.

You can get a USN marked leather sheath new from ka-bar.

I can only dream of the days of barrels of surplus knives and rifles for under $10.
 
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I think Camillus made the first and the most.


WWII examples have slimmer handles and seem to be better fitted around the guard. Current ones usually have small gaps there if you hold the knife up to a light.


Handles were treated to resist mold and jungle rot, but that only works to a point.


Micarta or modern synthetics like Thermorun or Zytel are better in a jungle. BTW, I had to research Micarta awhile back and was surprised to find that it dates from about 1910, but the first use for knife handles may have been when Randall began using it in the 1950's.
 
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That KA-BAR is a very nice find for that money! The KA-BAR came about in early WW II because the WW I trench knife was found to be inadequate for jungle warfare with combat troops and a stronger balde, Bowie style was desired. KA-BAR was a trademark of the Union Cutlery Co. (still headquartered in Olean, New York. The knifes were made during WW II by Union Cutlery Co., Ontario Knife Co, Camillus Cutlery, and there were others, but those I understand were the "big three". The USMC and the USN were known as USN Fighting Knife Mark II. Both Union and Camillus stamped on the ricasso (upper flat part of the blade), and sometimes on the crossguard. Ontario and others mostly were unmarked.

The scabbard for the Marines was always leather with no markings for WW II, USMC embossed for the Korean War, and further marked with a globe for Vietnam.

The WW II and forward scabbard for US Navy was gray fiberglass

Interesting side light is how the name KA-BAR came to be: A letter in poorly written English came to the company from a back woodsman who was thanking the company for such a strong knife that killed a bear that was attacking him and his gun had failed. The only letters visible were K...A...Bar which company officials thought meant " Killed a bear" and they adopted KA-BAR as a trademark... and thereafter ONLY the Union Cutlery Company made fighting knives will have the KA-BAR stamp on the knife sometimes with OLEAN NY, sometimes not.

Yours is a very nice, valuable specimen....Congratulations....hope you stumble on a Gray fiberglass scabbard in your travels but you may not get one as cheap as the actual knife.
 
Here's another Navy version... ( Early Camillus w/brass pommel nut)

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I have a Marine KaBar with OLEAN NY on the flat spot on the top of the blade. That one I carried in Vietnam when I was a Combat soldier with the 4th Infantry. I had it for about 4 months and then in a battle my Medic barrowed it to cut up some shirts to make bandages. When the battle was over I asked him for my KaBar back and he said he had set it down and now he couldn't find it.

Anyway I searched for one after I came home and bought one like the one that was lost.
 
Navy Imperial?

I have always been told this was a WWII Navy knife but have no idea why. It has no martial markings. Has a 7 on the cross guard.

The handle has some type of resin insert on each end which should be good for ID. Input appreciated.

V/R, Bill
 

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I have always been told this was a WWII Navy knife but have no idea why. It has no martial markings. Has a 7 on the cross guard.

The handle has some type of resin insert on each end which should be good for ID. Input appreciated.

V/R, Bill


Bill, from what I can see from your picture you have an early jet pilots survival knife from the 1950's. Imperials well as Schrade Walden had US contracts to produce these. These were often mis-identified even by the great Howard Cole. Documents have been found verifying these as 1950 vintage not WW 2 vintage. They has a simple 5" clip blade and were parkerized. I have several examples in my collection. Most I have seen are in mint condition as there was not much needed for a bail out knife in the 50's.
 
Thank you for the information 30-30remchester. This input makes the knife most interesting to me. Respectfully, Bill
 
Here's another Navy version... ( Early Camillus w/brass pommel nut)

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That's a MK I deck knife. Several makers had a nmber of wartime variations. The Navy accepted that, as the need was so great.


Looks as if you got a really nice example, mabye never actually issued.
 
If you go on Amazon search for ka-bar USN SHEATH. They have a nice leather one for $10. It will be good, until you find the Gray fiberglass sheath, which are pretty hard to find for the full size mkII. I would look on eBay, you may have to buy it with another knife.
 
I have always been told this was a WWII Navy knife but have no idea why. It has no martial markings. Has a 7 on the cross guard.

The handle has some type of resin insert on each end which should be good for ID. Input appreciated.

V/R, Bill

Bill, my comp was giving me fits last night and was unable to finish my comments on your knife. First the plastic-resin spacers at each end of the handle was a fix for a problem leather washer handled knives have. The chemicals in the tanning process made the steel pommels and guards rust at an accelerated rate. Putting these spacers helped a lot. Now a comment on your knife. I believe this to be a late commercial version of jet pilot knife. The originals had a bent hilt on the top and a cutout in the throat of the sheath to accommodate the bent hilt. Your sheath has the cutout but a straight hilt. Many of us collectors feel that these were left over parts of a military contract that was cancelled in favor of the model jet pilots knife aka JPK. In 1957 the military changed knife specs and this model was discontinued. We believe the factory had many parts and sheaths on hand and no contract, so they assembled the parts they had and sold them to the public, with the only change being the elimination of the government required bend in the hilt. A time saving step. This is all speculation as nobody has found actual proof. This parts cleanup and sale to the public was and is a standard practice. Either way it is a JPK that was just sold to the public in our thoughts. I have examples of both bent and straight hilt.
 
Texas, What's the scabbard look like for this one?? (I need one)


I'm sorry; I can't give a definitive answer. Different makers used several styles of leather sheaths. and some used those synthetic sheaths like the MK II Navy knives, but smaller.
If you Search the Net under MK I Navy knife, you may see some examples. I think M.H. Cole's books show some.


BTW, "scabbard" refers to a sword sheath. For knives, it's just a sheath. Or, to some creative spellers on this board, a "sheaf." These are usually the guys who think the plural of knife is, "knifes." A sheaf is a bundle of wheat.
 
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30-30. - thank you for the additional information. I appreciate it.

Regards, Bill
 
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