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Ruger MK IV - Terrible trigger, any thoughts?
I bought a Ruger MK IV this week. The tactical version, with the stupid rails and the threaded barrel. Sadly, I'm less than impressed with this latest offering for a number of reasons but mostly because of the terrible trigger it has.
I hadn't had a chance to play with any of the MK IVs yet, I ordered mine sight unseen. The trigger is long, mushy, creepy, and without a clean break. The trigger weight isn't too heavy, but it is not a good trigger. I've already looked into Volquartsen triggers. That would kill two birds with one stone by fixing the trigger and removing the magazine disconnect - has anyone gone this route? If so, was there noticeable improvement in the crispness of the trigger or was it just lighter? If you haven't, what have you done to help your triggers out?
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Since the gun is new, I would contact Ruger and send it back on a complaint. They will most likely send you a shipping label and depending on your state laws, you can send the gun back directly as a consumer complaint, or your seller (FFL) can send it back for you.
Ruger is a stand up company with a long reputation of customer support and there is no reason you should be dissatisfied.
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11-20-2017, 09:54 AM
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I bought a Ruger MK IV and added the Volquartsen Accurizing Kit. Really improved the trigger and got rid of the mag disconnect. It now has a light crisp trigger. But there is a recall on the safety and from what I have read Ruger will only do the recall work with original parts in the gun. I have also read people are still unhappy with the trigger after the recall work is done. Personally my MKIV safety feels fine to me and I'm not sending it in for a recall and parts change. I only target shoot it at the range and if I need to shot shooting before the mag is empty, I drop the mag and eject the round in the chamber. I believe that Volquartzsen now makes a new sear that will work with the with the original accurizing kit.
My email from Volquartsen:
July 27 update on Ruger MK IV Recall
By now, you're likely aware of the Ruger MK IV recall. This is not an ideal situation for you or us. The good news is that our parts have been updated and tested to work with the parts replaced in the recall. There are a few questions that keep coming up that we want to address.
Will our latest kits work with a Ruger MK IV that has not had the recall performed? Yes, we have tested our complete Accurizing Kit for the Ruger MK IV in both styles of frames and have not had any issues. Please note, though, that we do recommend taking advantage of the recall offer from Ruger.
How do I know if I have the updated version of the sear? All of our complete kits and sears shipped after July 1 include the latest modification. The picture below shows the difference, with the modified sear shown on the left. If you still have questions on whether or not you have an updated sear, you can email us a picture.
The recall delayed a few things on our end, but now that it's in the rear view mirror we're looking forward to introducing several new products for the Ruger MK IV.
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11-20-2017, 10:06 AM
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IF you install aftermarket parts on a Ruger and then send it into them for some form of repair - warranty or not - they will remove the aftermarket parts and replace them with standard factory parts and those expensive add-ons will NOT be returned to you, so remove them prior to sending it in.
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11-20-2017, 10:13 AM
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IF you install aftermarket parts on a Ruger and then send it into them for some form of repair - warranty or not - they will remove the aftermarket parts and replace them with standard factory parts and those expensive add-ons will NOT be returned to you, so remove them prior to sending it in.
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Agreed!! From what I have read, the turn around on the recall was pretty quick.
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11-20-2017, 10:14 AM
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As my wife on Friday just purchased one and after the legal NY BS is done about a week from now she will be able to take the gun home, I will keep a eye on this thread.
Due to our draconian laws the cap piece has to be welded on so the muzzle threads cannot be used. The shop she bought if from uses JB weld and says its legal. I made sure the bill of sale states this gun is legal as modified. They did a neat job using that JB- BTW!
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I don't know about you guys, but I absolutely love my MkII's!!
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Originally Posted by forindooruseonly
I bought a Ruger MK IV this week. The tactical version, with the stupid rails and the threaded barrel. Sadly, I'm less than impressed with this latest offering for a number of reasons but mostly because of the terrible trigger it has.
I hadn't had a chance to play with any of the MK IVs yet, I ordered mine sight unseen. The trigger is long, mushy, creepy, and without a clean break. The trigger weight isn't too heavy, but it is not a good trigger. I've already looked into Volquartsen triggers. That would kill two birds with one stone by fixing the trigger and removing the magazine disconnect - has anyone gone this route? If so, was there noticeable improvement in the crispness of the trigger or was it just lighter? If you haven't, what have you done to help your triggers out?
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I had the same reaction to a Mark III some years ago.I used a VQ trigger and sear in it and replaced the factory hammer bushing.It helped somewhat,but was still slightly mushy with a much lighter break.It was fine for target shooting,but I wouldn't want to hunt with it at all.I have a Mark I standard with a stock trigger that I think is better.It has a bit of take up with a crisp break.I like that one.My Mark I target was somebody's bullseye gun long ago and has a gunsmithed trigger job that is fantastic.I ended up selling the Mark III and keeping the Mark Is.It seems like the more Ruger improves the original design,the worse the trigger gets
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11-20-2017, 05:50 PM
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To avoid a long story,,, a few years ago for a bullseye league I borrowed my brothers Ruger to use..
Very accurate and had a red dot but had about a 6 lb. trigger pull. One of the guys suggested I put a Volquartsen sear in it..
( I thought without changing the springs , etc. and smoothing things up ,,, How much difference could it make? Which I didn't want to do to my brothers gun ,, unless he OK'ed it)
Didn't change anything except the sear.. Trigger pull went to 2.5 lb. I didn't / couldn't believe it..
It still had alot of take up ,, etc. but it made the trigger much nicer. I used it for the rest of the season.
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I purchased a Mark IV light some time ago and just sent it in for the recall. I told them that I have also had feeding and extraction issues with some ammo. It is there now for the repairs. I hope it is better when I get it back. I felt that the trigger was mushy with a lot of take up.The Mark IV design is great though.
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Looks like the Tactical is a take-off of the Talo III that I have.
I just dropped a $20 VQ sear in mine. Love it. Sounds like you might be looking for the Accurizing Kit for your IV. You'll find tons of positive reviews.
Enjoy your Tactical.
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Phil - yeah, I have a Silencerco Spectre that should be getting out of jail soon and needed a pistol host for it. I dig that Talo version you have! If I only could have found one of those, I'd gotten it instead.
There are things I really like about the MK IV - like the takedown aspect and the mag ejection. This thing really spits the mag out. There are a lot of things on it that are not particularly well thought out, though. The safety lever is poorly designed, as is the slide lock. Also, the MK IV is not as near as clean looking as a MK II, though, and that makes me sad.
However, for a shooter, if I can get the trigger cleaned up, I'll be happy. It seems like mushy and long take up is par for the course. First thing I'm gonna do is go dry fire one at a local store and see how it compares to mine. If its the same, I'm going to order a VQ kit. If it's better, I'm going to take moosedog's advice and send it in.
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In my entire 54 years of life I have never felt a trigger better than the one in my Volqs Target frame. While one is not currently in the Volqs catalog, I have to believe they are working on one for the MK IV. Well worth the wait.
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I have been disappointed with my new Ruger MKIV 22/45 LITE, which is quite the opposite experience I've had with my MKII 22/45 and MKIII 22/45 LITE. When I first took the MKIV to the range for sighting in I could not get the sights dialed in, shot low and left even with the sights adjusted to the stops. Not good.
Then the recall announcement was published so I got an RMA number, and also advised them of the sight issue, and sent it off to Ruger. Turn around time to and from Ruger was very good and they noted they'd replaced the sights and made some adjustments. That apparently helped because I got the elevation dialed in but I've still not brought the windage in where it needs to be even after tapping the rear sight over in the dovetail.
On top of that, it's not nearly as accurate as the MKII and MKIII. I can generally put 10 rounds on paper at 15 yards and cover them with a quarter with the MKII and MKIII. Disappointingly, a Morgan dollar won't hardly cover a 10 round pattern with the MKIV, add a suppressor and the spread gets even worse.
It's a shame, it seemed to hold such promise with the new field stripping and all, but a gun has to be able to shoot first.
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You don't have to order the entire Volquartsen kit. You can order just the sear and bushing. The trigger is a big part of the upgrade but you can also order all these parts from Tandemkross. I like their flat trigger better. I also ordered their racking handle and their compensator.
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I have the MKIV lite. As the OP mentioned, I was disappointed with the trigger. Had a gunsmith buddy put in the Volquartsen trigger and it made a big difference. Didn't send the pistol in to Ruger for the "repair." Don't want to loose the good (and expensive) trigger job and, furthermore, can't make the pistol malfunction anyway!
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I took my other ruger’s and put moly paste on the sears I ran the action 100 times while watching tv.
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I want to report that I did the recall bit, and the Ruger folks turned my frame around in four days, including the day I sent it in. I appreciated the extra magazine, also.
My main problem with the factory trigger is that the overtravel seems excessive. I cured the problem with a trigger shoe, adjusted so it bears on the frame to remove all but a faint trace of overtravel.
There is some grittiness and staging on the letoff, but I'm working the action and clicking it in a lot, and it's improving with use.
I admit my Mark II Government Target will take the honors for accuracy, but the Mark IV is no slouch, and it's light years beyond the detestable Mark III if only for its great takedown system.
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I've got a Mk III a MkII 45/22 and an original dating to 1952. Know which one I grab when I want to shoot??? Yep-the original
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There has been lots of discussion on another rim fire dedicate forum on MK IV triggers. Seems there is a lack of agreement on what parts /tweaks work reliably with the exception of the full $100+ Volquartsen accurizing kit.
I myself, broke down and installed the kits in both my MK IV's after unsuccessfully experimenting with a combination of MK II/III sears, hammers and bushings. Both guns now have a 3.5# crisp trigger and no mag disconnect. (Some report 2.5# results but that's the best I could get.)
FWIW, I like the new controls and takedown feature of the new MK IV's but I'm not ready to give up my favorite MK I and II's by any means. The MK III's on the other hand have already been sold off!
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