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Ruger 9MM revolver

"The purpose of the pistol is to stop a fight that someone else started usually at very close range"

"Safety is something that happens between your ears not something you hold in your hands"

The Cabelas nearest me is selling 9mm at $9.59 and .357 at $19.87-this of course means that I can practice over twice as much with one caliber than with the other. Mr. Cooper believes as I do- that when IT happens it will happen at very close range- which caliber would you suspect he would be an advocate of-for the average civilian ?
 
8 rounds of the hottest .22 lr anyone ;)

At about arms length away :eek:
 
If choice of caliber shows intent, then carrying shows even more intent in this political climate. Amplifying a confrontation with a 22, bad idea.
 
8 rounds of the hottest .22 lr anyone ;)

At about arms length away :eek:

Why not? A 22 bullet out of a short barrel will zip through 1"+ oak boards.

My WWII vet dad kept a 22 LR Colt Huntsman as the HD gun. Me? Upgraded to a 9.
 
This is, I believe, a first for any thread on this forum...a segue into a discussion of the merits of various calibers. :p ;)
 
wc, with regard to the -use- of a .357 snub in a civilian self defense shooting; I am of the opinion that a prosecutor would have little difficulty in convincing a jury that one who used this gun/caliber was reckless for the reasons anyone who has shot this platform with the magnum ammo is aware of.

The platform that is chosen, the caliber of the handgun and the amount of ammo that one has available show intent-mindset, I am convinced of this.

Should you prefer the .357 then good for you-I think you're nuts and really hope that you don't need that second shot especially if it is a very quickly needed second shot.

The Mrs. left today with her .22 wmr and there is no doubt in my mind that she has all the bases covered.

I fully support the right of anyone to legally carry any gun they wish regardless of how over gunned and over ammo capacity I think they are.

Remember 'we' will require less than 2 at about arms length away and that is IF simply showing the wheelie doesn't take care of the problem.
Well, we all know what opinions are like and some say that they all stink! This one meets the odor rule, In My Humble Opinion. :)
 
This is, I believe, a first for any thread on this forum...a segue into a discussion of the merits of various calibers. :p ;)

And a segue into a discussion of the potential legal implications in the choice of caliber/ammunition.
 
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FWIW-the owner of the Segway Company tragically met his end whilst operating one of the scooters-his took the direct route from a clifftop to the river below in England somewhere.

BE-does opinion based on fact/experience emit a more pleasant odor/aroma to you?
 
Gun writers have to write something, sometimes just to fill space. I don't agree with you and this article doesn't give me any more reason to think that your statements are anymore valid than before. My wife has a carry gun and I think more of her than to let her carry a .22 caliber. Interesting that Ruger has come out with that 9mm revolver. Looks like a nice piece murdock23.
 
My wife has a carry gun and I think more of her than to let her carry a .22 caliber.

If all my wife could handle was a .22 (or me, for that matter) then a .22 is better than nothing. I firmly believe that one should carry the gun/caliber that is the most effective for them...the largest caliber in the gun they shoot the best is the most effective. I don't want my wife (or me) to carry something that's just better than nothing...I want her (or me) to carry the best defense gun she (or I) can handle.
 
If all my wife could handle was a .22 (or me, for that matter) then a .22 is better than nothing. I firmly believe that one should carry the gun/caliber that is the most effective for them...the largest caliber in the gun they shoot the best is the most effective. I don't want my wife (or me) to carry something that's just better than nothing...I want her (or me) to carry the best defense gun she (or I) can handle.
My wife has limited mobility and hand strength since wrist surgery. There are so many options these days that it would be hard to imagine a person not being able to handle a centerfire pistol over a .22 caliber. As a matter of fact, many .22 caliber handguns are harder to operate and shoot accurately than many .32 autos and .380's. There also are plenty of top pistolsmiths that can customize a handgun to accommodate nearly everyone. That being said, of course a .22 is better than nothing.
 
Shouldnt the wives be choosing for themselves what is best for them to carry rather than you" letting" them carry something?
 
Shouldnt the wives be choosing for themselves what is best for them to carry rather than you" letting" them carry something?

My wife is a very independent woman, and we've been married for almost 40 years now...so my "letting" her do something largely depends on her wanting to do it anyway. When it comes to guns, though, she generally defers to my expertise (I have her fooled) BUT (and I do emphasize the BUT) she still makes the final decision as to what she wants for herself. Despite my earnest attempts to dissuade her, she is fairly well convinced that she wants one of the new Kimber subcompacts. She hasn't made a final decision yet...so I hope I can still convince her to get a good gun instead.
 
I don't know if it's my monitor, but from the pictures posted in this thread it appears that this little SP lacks the ugly warning rollmark on the barrel. Does anyone know if this is true of all Ruger revolvers now, or just the Nine-Mike-Mike. I kind of want one regardless...

Kifaru, I've recently picked up two new Rugers, a .45 convertible Blackhawk last fall and a 3" GP100 in .44 Special about a month ago. Both had the lawyer markings.

The Blackhawk's markings were discreetly located on the bottom of the barrel forward of the ejector housing. I had to actually look for them. The GP100's markings were prominently located on the left side of the barrel as usual.

I have to admit that this 9mm SP101 has me intrigued as well!
 
wc, with regard to the -use- of a .357 snub in a civilian self defense shooting; I am of the opinion that a prosecutor would have little difficulty in convincing a jury that one who used this gun/caliber was reckless for the reasons anyone who has shot this platform with the magnum ammo is aware of.

The platform that is chosen, the caliber of the handgun and the amount of ammo that one has available show intent-mindset, I am convinced of this.

Should you prefer the .357 then good for you-I think you're nuts and really hope that you don't need that second shot especially if it is a very quickly needed second shot.

The Mrs. left today with her .22 wmr and there is no doubt in my mind that she has all the bases covered.

I fully support the right of anyone to legally carry any gun they wish regardless of how over gunned and over ammo capacity I think they are.

Remember 'we' will require less than 2 at about arms length away and that is IF simply showing the wheelie doesn't take care of the problem.
You are making lots of assumptions and statements with zero facts to back them up. If you can reference a single case where someone that defended themselves with a .357mag snubby was prosecuted because of the gun/caliber combination I would love to see it. The truth is that the .357mag has been in common use in LE, and as a popular civilian self defense choice, for literally generations, making it one of the more defensible caliber choices available.

In addition, your assumption that one can't make fast follow up shots with a .357 is ridiculous. It may be that you aren't capable but that doesn't mean that others can't do it.

"The platform that is chosen, the caliber of the handgun and the amount of ammo that one has available show intent-mindset, I am convinced of this."
Exactly what intent/mindset is shown by people that choose other guns/caliber/capacity combinations than you do? I often carry a 1911 in .45cp, what does that say about my intent/mindset? My nightstand gun is a 14 shot .45 and today I'll be carrying a 3" .41mag while I work around my property and run errands, but tomorrow I'll be carrying a 5 shot .38spl snubby when I go to work, what does all of that say about my intent/mindset?

Does a person that chooses to carry the same 15 shot Glock 19 as their local PD have a different intent/mindset than the person that chooses to carry a 5 shot 9mm revolver? Is their choice "reckless" by comparison?


Everybody has opinions but it's hard to give credence to opinions that have no basis in fact and have no evidence to back them. If you have anything other than your feelings to support your arguments, I'd love to hear it.





To the OP - congrats on your purchase. I've always been a fan of the 9mm in a short barrel revolver because it's such an efficient cartridge. I have a custom 9mm 360J that has been one of my most often carried revolvers for close to a decade.
 
could someone please identify a post which addresses someone directing a spouse which gun must be carried?

The op made a very wise purchase with the 9mm sp 101- for the recoil sensitive it is a much better choice than the LCR 9mm even with the noticeably better LCR trigger/weight advantage.

Something that does require comment is the post regarding the 'amplification' of an incident should a .22 be used. While we do NOT have .22lr snub experience we do have extensive .22 wmr time and we both can positively state that the only aspect of a self defense incident which will be amplified should the snub wmr have to be shown/used is the ending of the incident.

There are a few drawbacks to the wmr, trigger pull is one; the Ruger is far better than any Smith we have handled though COST of ammo and periodic unavailability MUST be considered.

A .380 semi? no, not for the average civilian-the revolver remains the best choice both in terms of learning and maint-to argue otherwise is to segue into irrationality.

When all is said and done the 9mm revolver is by far the best choice for those with no limiting physical conditions and IS by far the best option when performance is calculated into the decision.

From a snub the 9mm gives at least .357 energy at about half the cost and probably half the recoil, blast/flame with fewer legal implications from what I can discover.

Why the FBI Went to 9mm and Why You Should Too - The Loadout Room

link should be fixed
 
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Shouldnt the wives be choosing for themselves what is best for them to carry rather than you" letting" them carry something?
Of course, if I were uneducated in the matter of personal self-defense guns, I would be just beating my chauvinistic chest by my suggestions. I defer to my wife when the subject is in the realm of her expertise and she defers to me when it is in my area. She defers to me on what is a good carry round, also. She, having been exposed to using handguns, is enlightened enough now, where she wouldn't consider carrying a .22, so the subject hasn't been breeched. Friends don't let friends carry .22's for self-defense.
 
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