Ruger 9MM revolver

[gsn]

Erich, I will cede that you are vastly more experienced than I; it is my contention that civilians encounter a vastly different situation in a hand gun self defense situation than a LEO.

The oft cited average distance of 21' was stated by the FBI for either law enforcement gun fights/gun battles which is far far greater than what civilians can expect.

We civilians can expect: that should a shot/s be fired (in the vast majority of situations showing the gun will end the the threat) the number of rounds will be far less than any wheel full, that the distance will be very very close, either touching distance or just outside touching distance, and that the incident will be over in just a few seconds.

Thoughts appreciated.

 

[BE Mike]

Erich, I will cede that you are vastly more experienced than I; it is my contention that civilians encounter a vastly different situation in a hand gun self defense situation than a LEO.

The oft cited average distance of 21' was stated by the FBI for either law enforcement gun fights/gun battles which is far far greater than what civilians can expect.

We civilians can expect: that should a shot/s be fired (in the vast majority of situations showing the gun will end the the threat) the number of rounds will be far less than any wheel full, that the distance will be very very close, either touching distance or just outside touching distance, and that the incident will be over in just a few seconds.

Thoughts appreciated.

I really appreciate folks who post their experiences, whether or not they are highly experienced or novices, many times I learn something. I don't get much from folks who just regurgitate things they've seen in gun mags, internet videos or statistics from official websites.

 

[gsn]

So the U.S. civilian population face the same threats under the same situations as the Police and thus require the same tools ?

 

[gsn]

Revolver vs. Auto

 

[TomkinsSP]

8 rounds of the hottest .22 lr anyone

At about arms length away

Having chronographed. 22 long rifle loads of standard, high, super and hyper velocity, the faster rounds create noise and flash, but proportionally less velocity out of a snubbie. I would therefore use the heaviest standard velocity lead round that will stabilize out of your particular gun. All but one of mine will stabilize the 60 grain Aguila SSS.

 

[TomkinsSP]

Revolver vs. Auto

Says most semi autos are easier to shoot well, but compares a 7.5" long 4.5" barrel 30 ounce Commander to a 5.5" long 1.875" barrel 22 ounce J frame, uh huh.

Then goes on to list all the reasons revolvers are more practical for civilians, more tolerant of neglect, easier to carry and conceal, not ammo dependent, fire contact, ECQ or from pocket, simpler.

 

[TomkinsSP]

Big brother, .40S&W.

(Edit: Senility has set in, meant to put this in CA 9mm thread. Oh well, if you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?)

 

[gsn]

sure hope that the kid at Smith wakes up soon

 

[Practical]

From a snub the 9mm gives at least .357 energy at about half the cost and probably half the recoil, blast/flame with fewer legal implications from what I can discover.

GSN:

The issue I keep seeing from you is "legal implications"

The Legal Implications of shooting someone are IDENTICAL regardless of caliber.

However, in the case of civil court possibly your choice of gun might come into play however a 38 special versus a 357 magnum... Come on... Both are revolvers. If your shot placement is good and not 'downrange' I don't see the difference in legal implications for any gun.

 

[gsn]

practical-does distance make a difference?

 

[jnichols2]

My dealer showed me a SP101 9mm two days ago, and it looks pretty good.

I have a 4" Blackhawk Convertable that I like. However, beyond 10 yards the .38 & .357 clearly outshine the 9mm in accuracy. The "internet" says it's because the gun was designed for .38 & .357.

If I buy the SP101, should I expect it to shoot as well as a J-Frame .38 Special at say 15-20 yards?

 

[clang444]

Nice pick up. It's too bad Sturm Ruger doesn't still make this one:

It is a Speed Six with 2 3/4" barrel in 9mm. Here it is with Pachmayr compac grips:

 

[typetwelve]

I can't confirm that it can be fired without moonclips but when a revolver can it is because the case spaces off the case mouth.

For some reason, I want to say it needs them to function. I made a thread about this one a few weeks ago, I was comparing it to the Charter Arms Pitbull, which does not use moon clips.

Either way...one way or another, I'm going to get my hands on a 9mm SP101 sooner or later...

 

[Erich]

If I buy the SP101, should I expect it to shoot as well as a J-Frame .38 Special at say 15-20 yards?

Better, in my hands. The length of pull suits my hands better than on a J. Don't know how it would fit you, but out of a Ransom Rest, I'd suspect the classes of guns would be essentially identical in accuracy.