Puma

Here is a Puma that I've "owned" since about 1973. Don't know when it was available for sale, but surely before that time. A bit of a story goes along with my possession of this very good (IMO) knife. Got a call one night from folks reporting someone breaking into their neighbor's home while they were away on vacation. I got to the scene about the same time as another officer. He took the front and I took the rear of the residence to investigate. As I came to a stop in the long alleyway behind the property, a young fellow burst through the back gate, saw me, and immediately beat feet away from me down the alley. I gave chase not doing much more than maintaining the interval between us. There was enough ambient light to see the lad and to see where we were going. As the miscreant approached the end of the alley, a third officer arrived on the scene to also enter the alley and the young fellow ran into the side of his howl car, fell down, and was immediately taken into custody.

Turns out this young man, aged 17, had a fairly long record of such conduct. He was also big as a grown man and pretty stout. I arrived just as the third officer was perched atop the miscreant attempting to get his arms behind his back to put the cuffs on so I assisted him with that. We seatbelted him in the back seat of the howl car for safekeeping while we conducted further information.

As I was chasing the lad down the alley, I saw something shiney fly from the lad into the weeds at the edge of the alley and heard it hit the fence and fall to the ground. I made my way back up the alley toward the home to help the first officer on the scene. We thoroughly searched the home, found no other persons present, and found that the miscreant had only short time to conduct his search of the property there. After completing our investigation of the premises, getting contact info for the property owners, and securing the home, we departed to the station to finish booking the lad. Prior to my departure, I searched the alley for the item that I saw and heard hit the ground. I found this Puma knife during that search.

At the station, as we inventoried the young man's property, we found a couple of nice necklaces and some rings in his pocket. I showed him the knife and asked if it was his. He claimed no knowledge of it, of course, and I didn't actually see the knife leave his hands, although there was no doubt that the knife didn't just fall out of the sky. When the property owners returned home, they identified the items found in the boy's pockets as their own, but had no knowledge of the knife. I asked the juvenile's dad if he had ever seen this knife or if it was his or the boy's property. The dad claimed that he had never seen it. Not much doubt that the boy had taken it from some other person's home during his night time visitations to their property. I made note of the incident in my report and I maintained possession of the knife for about a year in case it was reported from some other burglary. The case was handled by the juvenile authorites and closed. I asked the judge what dispostion he wanted to be made of the knife. Since it was incidental to the case and had not been used in any illegal way during the incident, and because it was not found on the boy's person at the time of arrest, the judge declared that what I found after the fact might or might not have been what I heard hit the ground that the boy obviously threw down. I had searched the alley again after first light the morning after the incident and found no other thing that might have been thrown. So the judge stated that it appeared to him that I had found a nice knife that had not been claimed by any one for the year period after the incident and that if I wanted it, I should just keep it. I was happy to do so!

This is one of only a few knives of this quality that I ever had the opportunity to handle during the many investigations I was involved in over the years. It has been in my possession, used, and enjoyed since the time I first picked it up out of that alley. I had the kydex sheath made by Blade Tech after it became permanently mine. I actually mailed the knife to them and they built the sheath around the knife, so it fits really well and very securely. It's a treasure by itself, but moreso because of where, when, and how I came into possession of it. It's got a great set of stag scales, it's very well constructed, and has a great deal of utility for me. It also sharpens very well. I haven't ever researched it to see if I can find any information about it's date of manufacture. There is a serial number stamped on the knife and perhaps it might be worth my time to do so. Maybe I will. So here are pictures of the knife with my long story. Hope you enjoy both!
 

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Here is a Puma that I've "owned" since about 1973. Don't know when it was available for sale, but surely before that time. A bit of a story goes along with my possession of this very good (IMO) knife. Got a call one night from folks reporting someone breaking into their neighbor's home while they were away on vacation. I got to the scene about the same time as another officer. He took the front and I took the rear of the residence to investigate. As I came to a stop in the long alleyway behind the property, a young fellow burst through the back gate, saw me, and immediately beat feet away from me down the alley. I gave chase not doing much more than maintaining the interval between us. There was enough ambient light to see the lad and to see where we were going. As the miscreant approached the end of the alley, a third officer arrived on the scene to also enter the alley and the young fellow ran into the side of his howl car, fell down, and was immediately taken into custody.

Turns out this young man, aged 17, had a fairly long record of such conduct. He was also big as a grown man and pretty stout. I arrived just as the third officer was perched atop the miscreant attempting to get his arms behind his back to put the cuffs on so I assisted him with that. We seatbelted him in the back seat of the howl car for safekeeping while we conducted further information.

As I was chasing the lad down the alley, I saw something shiney fly from the lad into the weeds at the edge of the alley and heard it hit the fence and fall to the ground. I made my way back up the alley toward the home to help the first officer on the scene. We thoroughly searched the home, found no other persons present, and found that the miscreant had only short time to conduct his search of the property there. After completing our investigation of the premises, getting contact info for the property owners, and securing the home, we departed to the station to finish booking the lad. Prior to my departure, I searched the alley for the item that I saw and heard hit the ground. I found this Puma knife during that search.

At the station, as we inventoried the young man's property, we found a couple of nice necklaces and some rings in his pocket. I showed him the knife and asked if it was his. He claimed no knowledge of it, of course, and I didn't actually see the knife leave his hands, although there was no doubt that the knife didn't just fall out of the sky. When the property owners returned home, they identified the items found in the boy's pockets as their own, but had no knowledge of the knife. I asked the juvenile's dad if he had ever seen this knife or if it was his or the boy's property. The dad claimed that he had never seen it. Not much doubt that the boy had taken it from some other person's home during his night time visitations to their property. I made note of the incident in my report and I maintained possession of the knife for about a year in case it was reported from some other burglary. The case was handled by the juvenile authorites and closed. I asked the judge what dispostion he wanted to be made of the knife. Since it was incidental to the case and had not been used in any illegal way during the incident, and because it was not found on the boy's person at the time of arrest, the judge declared that what I found after the fact might or might not have been what I heard hit the ground that the boy obviously threw down. I had searched the alley again after first light the morning after the incident and found no other thing that might have been thrown. So the judge stated that it appeared to him that I had found a nice knife that had not been claimed by any one for the year period after the incident and that if I wanted it, I should just keep it. I was happy to do so!

This is one of only a few knives of this quality that I ever had the opportunity to handle during the many investigations I was involved in over the years. It has been in my possession, used, and enjoyed since the time I first picked it up out of that alley. I had the kydex sheath made by Blade Tech after it became permanently mine. I actually mailed the knife to them and they built the sheath around the knife, so it fits really well and very securely. It's a treasure by itself, but moreso because of where, when, and how I came into possession of it. It's got a great set of stag scales, it's very well constructed, and has a great deal of utility for me. It also sharpens very well. I haven't ever researched it to see if I can find any information about it's date of manufacture. There is a serial number stamped on the knife and perhaps it might be worth my time to do so. Maybe I will. So here are pictures of the knife with my long story. Hope you enjoy both!
Sweet knife. Cool story. If it has a number stamped onto the guard, you can date it. Just google up the chart.
 
Thanks, Mr. Harry! I'll check it out!
No prob. If it doesn’t have a date/code stamped into it, it’s pre ‘64. Pre 69 seems to be a desirable thing amongst collectors. I’m not a collector but I wanted a knife with ‘the old recipe’ steel. Carbon steel, higher carbon, “Pumaster”, whatever you want to call it. From my research and dialogue with company reps, the Puma plant suffered a major fire in 1969. If there was an actual written ‘recipe’ for the old steel (reps say it was a closely guarded secret, and passed down in the company largely ‘verbally’ - one Meister to the next) it was destroyed in the fire. The former steel masters took their recipe/secrets to the grave with them. Not to say they didn’t make a high quality blade after that or until this day, it’s just not whatever it was. I can vouch from using/sharpening/observing mine, that it is not the same steel as today’s. It’s harder and much more prone to oxidation. Not “stainless”.
 
The information I found via a Google search indicates my Puma was made in the second quarter of 1968 in Germany. This one states on the blade info of the knife that it's "New Stainless Super Keen Cutting Steel". The blade is also stamped "PUMA" and underneath that is stamped "Germany". I can testify that it will cut your finger, that it is not difficult to sharpen, and that it seems to hold it's cutting edge pretty well. It has not been prone to oxidation nor discoloration. Also etched on the blade is "6383 PUMA - BUDDY".
 
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The information I found via a Google search indicates my Puma was made in the second quarter of 1968 in Germany. This one states on the blade info of the knife that it's "New Stainless Super Keen Cutting Steel". The blade is also stamped "PUMA" and underneath that is stamped "Germany". I can testify that it will cut your finger, that it is not difficult to sharpen, and that it seems to hold it's cutting edge pretty well. It has not been prone to oxidation nor discoloration. Also etched on the blade is "6383 PUMA - BUDDY".

Fascinating. They’re very nice knives, I think, no matter what kind of steel they’re using/used. Truth be told, it’s a bit of a chore to put a great edge on mine. Then you have the susceptibility to oxidation. I have a current production Buck in whatever stainless that performs almost as well in edge retention, sharpens easier, and isn’t prone to corrosion. But that’s a different thread. Pumas are a thing of beauty.
 
Appreciated the stories and facts. Have also see models like White Hunter and Skinner going for $250-350 on E-Bay that were produced in the 60s. Sure am glad I used my birthday money ($25) back in 67 to make the purchase of quality blade and heirloom to pass to my son.
 
I bought a Puma White Hunter in 1971 at Oshman's Sporting Goods during their annual 40% off clearance sale. I paid the princely sum of $18 for it. I admit that at the time I did not have the sharpening tools or skills to do the knife justice. I beat the snot out of that knife on many camping trips. I have lost knives, broken knives, and worn out knives over the years; but that Puma White Hunter was stolen along with a Schrade Deerslayer out of the my truck toolbox back in the early 1990s. I hope the person that lifted those knives fell on them. I assume Pumaster Stainless Steel is a derivation of 440C, with high end heat treatment. That old knife inspired me to try out different metals and upgrade my sharpening skills.
 
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I bought a Puma White Hunter in 1971 at Oshman's Sporting Goods during their annual 40% off clearance sale. I paid the princely sum of $18 for it. I admit that at the time I did not have the sharpening tools or skills to do the knife justice. I beat the snot out of that knife on many camping trips. I have lost knives, broken knives, and worn out knives over the years; but that Puma White Hunter was stolen along with a Schrade Deerslayer out of the my truck toolbox back in the early 1990s. I hope the person that lifted those knives fell on them. I assume Pumaster Stainless Steel is a derivation of 440C, with high end heat treatment. That old knife inspired me to try out different metals and upgrade my sharpening skills.

Fascinating again. I “like” to think I lost my grandpas old Shrade Old-Timer. I can’t cancel that factor out, however much I may have re-treaded my steps and searched for it. Still do.... But it is as much or more likely that it too got lifted out the bed of my truck. Ah well. So I feel for ya. On the Old Shrade, it was completely patina’d. Definitely a higher carbon steel. But it worked, for me. And I was in love with the blade shape. Still am. I do clip points for multi purpose fishing and hunting needs. When I went in search of a ‘suitable’ replacement, I found the old Puma Skinner model to be most desirable for my purposes. And to get one in the older steel was even more so. Like the Old Timer. Variety is the spice of life. To each their own. I don’t shave my face with my sporting blades. I gut, skin, bone, and filet critters. Sidenote, Wallyworld might sell some knives that can shave arm hair outta the box, but do they come with brass Full rivets and pommel, full-tang? And SAMBAR Stag panels? That’s why I don’t shop for knives there.

I have to add, outside of being a sportsman, i’m an Ececutive Chef going on 30 years continual experience in the field = i CUT A TON OF STUFF. lol. Daily. That does NOT make me a metallurgist, but it gives me some degree of appreciation for, and experience with, differing blade shapes, steel behavior, etc. I have a decent idea how knives work. ;)
 
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I'm amazed that the fire didn't destroy the temper. I'd have accepted the knife back, as this nephew doesn't seem to care a lot about it.

It was nice of Puma to re-make that knife. Was there a fee?

Despite the poor photo, your newer WH looks good.

Back when the West German Mark was of less value than the US dollar, Puma knives were a relative bargain. They still cost about what a Buck product did, on the high end, as compared to Case, Western, Marble's, etc. But the quality was there, and the beauty. I think I paid $17 at a discount store for a Hunters Pal in 1970.

I have about 10 Puma knives now and none was anywhere near that cheap, but I did score a WH for $125 at a gun show about ten years ago, with box and papers. I'll probably leave it to a grandson. My son will teach his kid to use a knife well and safely, and other useful wilderness skills.

Don't forget that the back of the blade on a WH is meant for hacking gristle, chopping, or other rough cuts. Saves wear on the main edge. For a knife designed by a committee, the WH turned out pretty well.

Check the other knife thread here now for my added comments.
Some are about Puma products. Sometimes, they got careless and used stag that's too thick, but if a handle fits you, they're very pretty, useful knives.
Spoken like a truly insulting braggart.:rolleyes:
 
Spoken like a truly insulting braggart.:rolleyes:

You're entitled to see things as you will, and you've insulted me before, without regard to how that might make you look. Or how it might make me feel!

You have evidently had an exciting background and occasionally make posts that I've found interesting and worthwhile.

This wasn't one of them.

If you think I'm a braggart for saying that I have about 10 Puma knives, how must you feel about the fellows posting in this forum who show off expensive guns? One posted a photo of about 8-10 SIG P-210's! A single Registered Magnum .357 might sell for more than the value of every knife I own! I just don't follow your logic, if this is about jealousy.

I think we'd better leave this now, before a moderator gets involved. But I really don't understand what caused you to say this. What have I ever done to make you so bitter toward me? :confused:
 
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You're entitled to see things as you will, and you've insulted me before, without regard to how that might make you look. Or how it might make me feel!

You have evidently had an exciting background and occasionally make posts that I've found interesting and worthwhile.

This wasn't one of them.

If you think I'm a braggart for saying that I have about 10 Puma knives, how must you feel about the fellows posting in this forum who show off expensive guns? One posted a photo of about 8-10 SIG P-210's! A single Registered Magnum .357 might sell for more than the value of every knife I own! I just don't follow your logic, if this is about jealousy.

I think we'd better leave this now, before a moderator gets involved. But I really don't understand what caused you to say this. What have I ever done to make you so bitter toward me? :confused:

Post some pictures. I like most of your writings, and believe me, I’m not jealous. Not even a little.
More than a few here have said “ no pictures, it didn’t happen!”

You’ve been in Texas long enough to have heard “ All hat and no cattle.” I’d love to see those expensive Puma knives, but hardly more than the one the OP showed, with his heartwarming story of a family heirloom being restored after a tragedy...particularly since he is a new poster and deserves a friendly welcome.
 
Not to be a busybody, but I consider both of you, T-Star and TexMex, my friends, so please allow me to comment:

My observation is that T-Star occasionally makes comments that seem unfriendly, or cutting, but he does so without realizing it. It’s an eccentricity or behavioral quirk. Some of us, in some ways, sing a trifle out of tune, at times, socially. Any offense occasioned, however, I believe, is truly unintentional.

On the other hand, he is a wealth of knowledge on topics of forum interest — or lack thereof :D — and especially on knives. I always enjoy his posts, and find some of his more elaborate digressions (South African beauty queens, English teas, etc.) entertaining.

I am a believer in the difficulty of teaching old dogs new tricks, and I have my own eccentricities for which I hope my friends forgive me.

TexMex, you need no comments or observations from me. I find your life experiences, and current occupation, quite interesting, and enjoy your posts very much. Keep it up.

Ahem. I now return you all to your regular programming...
 
I don't have a picture service and never post photos here or elsewhere on the Net. But for about 30 years, I was one of the most published knife writers, my material appearing (with many photos) in probably every cutlery publication, including the prestigious annual, Knives.

I think that some are reading more malice into my posts than was meant.

I am a Gemini, and we're noted for lack of tact and for making sharp remarks. Prince Phillip is worse about it than I am. I do sometimes say what I think, but seldom say what I'd like to some members who rate more candid comments than I offer.

In this present case, I wasn't aware that the member was new and was commenting on the facts of his post as I understood them. I thought the nephew must have decided that he didn't really like the knife and that was why he offered it to his uncle. Others saw a kinder aspect, that he cared so much for the uncle that he offered the knife. I saw that as his having lost interest in it. Others, perhaps more sensitive or emotional, read it differently. But I did not set out to hurt anyone's feelings.

That hasn't been the case with some things posted about me, which were clearly intended to be negative and hurtful.

As for Onomea's comments about my posts pertaining to South African beauty queens, I mentioned just one, Demi-Leigh Nel-Peters, later also Miss Universe 2017. She is clearly a remarkable young lady, and my regard for her goes well beyond her looks. I was deeply touched by her compassion for others, especially her now just deceased handicapped sister. Demi-Leigh inspires me and gives me joy in knowing that there are such good people, to offset those whose actions make up far too much of the news.

As for promoting British tea brands, I am trying to expose fellow members to them, who might enjoy them. It's surely no worse than naming favorite brands of beer, whiskey, and other items, which have been the topics of entire threads on this board.

I think this is all I want to say, lest I offend someone further, intentionally or not.

But I do thank Onomea and Les, two of the really good members here, for their somewhat lukewarm defense of me. Or, maybe it was more of an explanation than a defense. At least, they seem to be saying that I'm not wholly awful. I'm appreciative of that.
 
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Must be something about Puma knives, and D-day? Touching nerves somewhere... who’d a thunk such an innocuous thread could set off such a
a chain of discourse. If y’all Tejanos hadn’t noticed, there were fireworks elsewhere. Unsolicited. And .... removed.
 
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