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I just got their latest ad today. They are listing fairly good looking Star Model Super pistols in 9mm Largo (9x23) for $295, also 9mm Largo ammo for $30/100.

They should digest .38 Super ammo OK if you don't want to order any Largo ammo.
 
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I saw that ad too. I already have a Super B, which I like.

Can you really shoot 38 Super in the Stars? I thought I read somewhere NOT to do that.
 
The Star Supers I've owned in the past you had to use a Drimel to on the barrel to allow for the slight rim on 38 Super. Not much metal removed but a little.
 
38 Super Rim

If the only problem with using 38 Super is the rim then 38 Super Comp should work, but low pressure hand loads may be the safest way to go.

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Nice pistols IMO.
The Model A&B and the Super Models of each.
The Supers are very smooth functioning, at least the ones I've had.

The 9mmLuger and the 38Super both have max chamber pressures posted at 33K on the SAAMI chart.
IIRC, a Speer(?) reloading manual with 9mmLargo data in it gave it's working pressure at 30K.
IF my memory is correct, it would seem that all three of the current loadings would be just fine in the fairly recent built Super A and B

I think the problem with the use of 38Super in some of the Spanish semiautos came about with early production and models built in the early 20th century.
STAR Model 1920, the early Llamas, the Campo Giro Spanish service automatic,,ect. There's quite a number.
Nearly always chambered for 9mmLargo and would be also stamped '38' under that 9mm designation when later surplused and sold. Or stamped as such if the pistol was a commercial mfg meant for export.
That 38 was meant to note the use of 38acp ammunition as an alternative especially for USA customers.
38acp is a weak round. The caliber faded when 38Super came on the scene and just about disappeared.
38Super is the same case spec as 38acp.
Why not just use the Super round in the old girl,,it fits.

Much of that old Spanish steel was not the best fit and quality and 38Super was not kind to it, Some of the designs were weak when compared to the 1911 style later adapted.

Loading the 9mmLargo is easy. Brass from Starline. You can use 9mmLuger dies though they won't resize the bottom 3/16" of the case for you. 38Super dies work perfectly.

I used to buy and shoot Spanish surplus 9mmLargo in both a STAR A and a Steyr 1912. Century sold it very cheaply.
(The largo is very close to the 9mmSteyr round.)

The surplus ammo was packed in 25rd paper packets marked with the caliber and I think they were from SantaBarbara Arsenal (sp?).
I have a few around yet. They were corrosive primed. But a simple hot water/soap cleaning and no rust problems. Berdan primed of course.
The stuff was a bit hot I suppose just judging from the recoil. But the STAR took it in stride. The Steyr too, but I limited the amt I shot through the Steyr as I didn't want to damage it. Really snappy out of an Astra 400!
That's the reasons I started reloading it when I did.

I used 9x23Winchester brass at the time. No Starline offerings then.
Same case but less internal space as it's heavy walled. I kept loads in the low 9mmLuger range and they were just fun shooters. No paper ever walked away.

CCI made the aluminum cased Blazer ammo in Largo. Very weak round when compared to the surplus stuff but functioned the guns well enough. Once in a while you may run across that at a show or shop.
 
The Star will handle 38Super cases but much use and you will have extractor problems. I thinned rim on 38Super brass. At the time I had Spanish Destroyer in 9mm Largo also. I shot same loads in it. I know guys that say they shoot 38Super factory in the Star but I haven’t. I did shoot a few 38acps but quit because I was worried about extractors.
 
My Star Super B is in 9x19. It makes an excellent training gun for new shooters. Heavy, but that kills recoil and the trigger is pretty good.
 
[The surplus ammo was packed in 25rd paper packets marked with the caliber and I think they were from SantaBarbara Arsenal (sp?).
I have a few around yet. They were corrosive primed. But a simple hot water/soap cleaning and no rust problems. Berdan primed of course.
The stuff was a bit hot I suppose just judging from the recoil. But the STAR took it in stride. The Steyr too, but I limited the amt I shot through the Steyr as I didn't want to damage it. Really snappy out of an Astra 400!]

I have around 900 rounds of this surplus ammo (for an Astra 400 I sold) available in the Denver area if anyone is interested. $75 for the lot, can't ship pick-up only.
 
Several years ago I had a Super B in Largo.
Occasionally Starline runs a batch (best choice).
Fun shooter and reliable. I used 9x23 dies.
Anyone buying such will not regret it.
 
I wonder what brand and age the 9mm Largo they are offering for $30/100 is ? I took a quick look at Ammoseek.com and the current (Coronavirus era pricing) is ridiculous.
They show Steinel Ammunition, whatever that is, for $12.50 to $14.95 per 20 and PCI brand for $49.95/50.

I bought a lot of the Santa Barbara and Seville arsenal 9mm Largo in the little square 25 round boxes back when it was $2/25 rounds so I'm pretty well set for my Modelo Super.

The CCI Aluminum cased Blazer ammo was great when it was available, I even have a few boxes that came loaded with Gold Dot HP's but I haven't see that ammo in years.
 
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The Spanish pistols, Star and Astra, were converted to .38 Auto (acp), not Super. This was done by expanding the bolt face. These pistols are marked 9mm/.38 or similar.
This was done with surplus pistols to be sold in the U.S.
The .38 Auto ammunition was more common here at the time.
Use of a Super round is dangerous.
 
Stop.
The Spanish pistols, Star and Astra, were converted to .38 Auto (acp), not Super. This was done by expanding the bolt face. These pistols are marked 9mm/.38 or similar.
This was done with surplus pistols to be sold in the U.S.
The .38 Auto ammunition was more common here at the time.
Use of a Super round is dangerous.

I had a Llama "Extra", basically a M1911 knockoff, also marked 9mm/.38. I fired LOTS of .38 Super through it, no problems at all. Don't know about the Stars.
 
I'm too lazy to run outside into my shop(where my reloading books are)but if I remember correctly,the 9mm Largo and .38 Super don't operate at the same pressure,far from it.
But if you reload the Super brass,you can tame it down to Largo pressure safely.
I won't be mad if somebody stands me corrected though!
 

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