Remington Tac-14 vs. Mossberg Shockwave......

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To be clear from the start, I'm really not shopping for one of these, I have my own concept/philosophy of "home defense". However, I have been in several gunshops lately, including today, and the shelves have been well stocked with Remington Tac-14's, but no Mossberg Shockwaves. Just made me wonder why. Is it general demand of one over the other, is it manufacturing capacity, or...….. ? Really more curious than anything.
 
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Every time I get the envie for one of these, I only have to look at my 870 riot gun in the corner and ask myself "Why?". Now don't get me wrong-if I dodn't have the 870, I'd probably get one of these (actually a Remington Tac 13). Don't know what a Mossy is.....
 
I have a Tac 14. I was fascinated from the time I first saw them at the SHOT Show, because they look illegal. Found one locally for $279. Bought it just because. I’ve always preferred the 870 over the 500.
 

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I like the Mossberg with green Crimson trace laser. It is fun! and the laser makes aiming easier, but I have shot shotguns from the hip for many years. Shot my first rabbit at 12 yrs old from the hip, the others that have followed have proved it was not PURE luck. Be Safe,
 
I have a Shockwave. I dont know if i`m just very skilled but its no problem to hit what i`m aiming at from the hip. It is great at "point" shooting too,but you gotta know what your doing and how to handle it
 
I bought the Remington because I have had many 870's and they are like an old friend. The Tac-14 hardwood was reminiscent of my youthful days watching the USMS WITSEC guys. I had always wanted one. For my purposes, the TAC-14 is ideal in the cab of a pickup truck.
 
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Shotguns

The first time I attempted shooting a shotgun from the hip, imitating something I saw on TV, I shot quite high. I soon learned to bring the butt up and tuck it into the arm pit, thus leveling the gun and hitting what I was pointing at.

Remington and Mossberg both make quality shotguns. While I personally don't use the models in question, those who perceive a need for them will do just fine with either gun. Mossberg shotguns meet MILSPEC and the company ha made at least 10,000,000 Model 500 shotguns in various configurations. The Remington 870, of course, is very popular with law enforcement agencies.
 
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I soon learned to bring the butt up and tuck it into the arm pit, thus leveling the gun and hitting what I was pointing at.
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I took a LE firearms course several years ago (I'm not LE) and part of the course was a couple of hours of familiarization training with the 870. It's my only time shooting a shotgun. We did the same thing. The instructor called it "wing shooting." Of course, we also fired it from the shoulder.

While I don't have a shotgun, it is something I've considered getting. I'm cross-dominant, so if I do get into long guns I'll probably try to learn it as a lefty. For that reason, I like the Mossberg's tang-mounted safety.
 
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CH4 said:
I have a Tac 14. I was fascinated from the time I first saw them at the SHOT Show, because they look illegal..
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I wouldn't make a habit of publically telling people you are facainated by something because it looks illegal ;)

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So far on this thread it seems people are just sharing how they feel, which is cool I guess.

Now, onto the only merit that really matters between the two. The tac series has a double rail, so if one breaks, it's not a steaming pile. The Shockwave has no such failsafe: One rail, and should it snap you now have a cumbersome version of a tee ball bat.

Someone up top said something about how mossberges are milspec? I don't see how that matters. It's also a term I've never heard of in reference to a shotgun as it seems the military will use whatever shotgun they feel like when contract time rolls around. Every arms room I ever saw in the army had more Ithaca shotguns than anything else, followed by remington, with maybe a few mossberges sitting in the corner.
 
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Long ago when Mossberg came out with something I think they called the 'Cruiser Package', which was just a basic 12 ga. M500, 18" cylinder barrel, conventional wood stock and a synthetic pistol grip that could replace the stock.
I was much younger, there was a cool factor. Until I went to the range.
Found the pistol grip option to be uncomfortable, un-natural, all 'pointability' that shotguns should have was lost.

I know the Tac and Shockwaves have a different design rear grip, so pretty sure they are better than the experience I had with the pistol grip.
Still - I'm inclined to stick with platforms I'm used to. For me, concealment needs are answered by handguns.
HD shotguns are answered by my M870 Marine Magnum and/or the Win. M97 Police Riot.

And no - the 'chuck-chuck' of the action means very little to those truly intent on doing you harm. Heard that working in LGS's until it caused nausea. ;)
 
Personally, I chose the Mossberg 590 Shockwave for the following reasons...

  • Ambidextrous Tang Mounted Safety
    Can be operated with either hand, whereas the TAC-14 uses a cross-bolt safety located on the right-hand side of the trigger guard.
  • Drilled and Tapped Receiver
    Can be mounted with a scope or other accessories/peripherals, unlike the TAC-14 which isn't drilled and tapped.
  • 5+1 Capacity
    Holds 5+1 2.5" Shells or 4+1 3" Magnum Shells, whereas the standard TAC-14 holds one round less, although some models come with a +1 Mag Tube Extension.
  • Slide Release Location
    The Slide Release is located behind the trigger guard on the 590 Shockwave, where it can easily be accessed without altering your grip, whereas on the TAC-14 it is located on the front of the receiver where it cannot be accessed without altering your grip.
  • Heavy-Walled Barrel
    The Mossberg 590 Shockwave is fitted with a Heavy-Walled Barrel which is more durable and has the fringe benefits of adding a bit more weight up front which helps to dampen recoil.

Now, onto the only merit that really matters between the two. The tac series has a double rail, so if one breaks, it's not a steaming pile. The Shockwave has no such failsafe: One rail, and should it snap you now have a cumbersome version of a tee ball bat.
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WRONG!

Mossberg 590(R) Shockwave | O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc.

"The Shockwave Raptor bird’s head pistol grip is uniquely shaped to minimize felt recoil. Includes all the features that have made Mossberg pump-actions the choice for millions worldwide: ambidextrous safety, dual extractors, positive steel-to-steel lockup, twin action bars, and a smooth operating anti-jam elevator."
 
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WRONG!

Mossberg 590(R) Shockwave | O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc.

"The Shockwave Raptor bird’s head pistol grip is uniquely shaped to minimize felt recoil. Includes all the features that have made Mossberg pump-actions the choice for millions worldwide: ambidextrous safety, dual extractors, positive steel-to-steel lockup, twin action bars, and a smooth operating anti-jam elevator."
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Easy there most original handle I've ever seen. While I love being told I'm wrong in the most obnoxious way possible, I'm getting the sense this is really about USPS and your awesome FFL. It'll pass I'm sure.

Okay okay, so mossberge changed their evil ways and started using two action bars instead of one. Truth be told, it's been years since I've handled a 500 variant, because they used to break all the time like the junk they were. I'm not into giving manufacturers a second chance. I don't buy mossberges now for the same reason I'll never buy Taurus. Call it a personal preference.
 
Having put a few rounds through the Shockwave, I know that you really have to prepare yourself and hang on!

The trigger guard slammed the middle finger on my shooting hand and the safety gouged the bottom of my thumb.

I know, my fault. But it still hurt.

Having seen the quality of Remington products go down hill recently, I would be hesitant. My friends LGS has sent back four 870’s back for defects in the last year.

They are cool but I don’t see the need for such a gun.
 
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“ because they used to break all the time like the junk they were”
Have a ton of family and friends with decades of Mossberg and have never heard of dependability issues.
Sound like a personal thing.
If you will not buy anything where the manufacturer had issues, there is not a car or gun company on the planet you could buy from including Remington.
 
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Easy there most original handle I've ever seen. While I love being told I'm wrong in the most obnoxious way possible, I'm getting the sense this is really about USPS and your awesome FFL. It'll pass I'm sure.

Okay okay, so mossberge changed their evil ways and started using two action bars instead of one. Truth be told, it's been years since I've handled a 500 variant, because they used to break all the time like the junk they were. I'm not into giving manufacturers a second chance. I don't buy mossberges now for the same reason I'll never buy Taurus. Call it a personal preference.
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It never ceases to amuse me when I correct someone only to have them respond with hostility, bonus points if it includes some botched attempt at a personal attack.

Would you prefer I had said nothing and allowed you to continue making a fool of yourself by making erroneous statements? Evidently so, considering you chose to continue making foolish comments afterwards as if to eliminate any trace of credibility or humility you might have previously had.

Rest assured, I will trouble you no further with my misguided attempts to educate you.
 
I have to agree with Harry.
Sometimes people feel that they are the Enlightened Ones and it is their duty to descend form the mount to inform the poor, ignorant masses of their Truth. Rude, self important pronouncements, made in an attempt to boost ones own self image, actually backfire. It usually proves the opposite of what the original intent was. It happens all too often.
That being said, I have a Shockwave, it is as Harry described, and I like it. Compact, rugged, works well and is perfect for back country truck/camping excursions. Takes a little getting used to because of the dynamics and grip, but has never failed me.
I feel the same about my 870 but it's purpose is different than the Shockwaves. In a truly diverse, inclusive, nonjudgmental and open minded manner I have a Mossberg 930 that I use for 3 gun events.
I may not have the divine insight of THEmodel, but I tend to do OK....
 
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Yeah, it was a strange reaction to a pretty antiseptic correction of facts. I guess you should have surrounded it with smilie faces or something. But oh well.

I like both the Remington and Mossberg. I started with the Remington but carried a High Standard for more years. I had a Mossberg only the last few years when they forcibly retired my High Standard, which never gave me any trouble. I believe it only had one action bar, but I may not remember correctly now. I liked the Mossberg very much after I got used to it.
 
I'm clearly not a Moderator, but come on guys, we're straying from the question and have shifted to "lets attack each other" mode, the planet has enough issues and we're all better than that. Really was just wondering why I was seeing 5-10 Tac-14's on the shelves vs. 0 Mossbergs.

Thanks to those of you who provided insight and perspective...….and I would welcome others to keep that coming.
 
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