Remington Model 31 20 guage;Your thoughts

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Local shotgun shop has a Remington Model 31 20 gauge for sale.... asking $450.

28" plain barrel.

Surpries to see it as this shop sells only shotguns ..... most go from $3000 to sky's the limit.

What little reading I've done is these seem to be sweet little hunting guns from the 1930-40s
 
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Amazing pump guns. I'm an 870 junkie, but these were the previous generation of Remington pump. Completely machined, steel beauties. Sort of Remington's answer to the Winchester Model 12.

One of my club's regulars routinely shoots one for 5 stand.
 
Rem 31 is a fine pump gun. I’m a Win 12 guy and my gunsmith was Win man too. He would argue that the 31 was a better gun than a M12. The only place I ever saw 31s in 20g was at shows. Never knew anyone who owned one. 12g were fairly common but not near as popular as M12. Any thing other than 12g FC shotguns are uncommon in these parts. The 870 is a joke compared to a 31 or 12, no comparison. The Ithaca 37 was the other classic pump gun. It started out and was developed from Rem 10 series. It had a better run than the 31, it went from 1937 to 1987, 50yrs of production. The M12 Win from 1912 to 1963, 51yrs. Both a lot more than 31 but Rem was 1st to capitalize on stampings. The 12 and 37 are still made as specialties but I don’t count them with originals.
 
I have owned and used most popular pump shotguns, and in my opinion the Remington 31 is the best. In a 20 Ga I might choose a Remington 17 over a 31, but it would be very close.
 
The 870 is a joke compared to a 31 or 12, no comparison.

That might be a bit too strong. The 870 did utilize all of the production economies that Remington mastered during the war, but it was still a quality gun. At least from 1950 till about 1995-2000 or so. Subsequent ones do not impress me, but all my older ones are solid guns. The fact that some of the steel parts are stamped doesn't bother me at all.

A Winchester 1200 or 1300 is a joke; a Mossberg 500 is a less funny joke. An 870 is a darn good gun, just one that was more affordable.
 
I agree Win 1200 & 1300 junk and Moss 500 worse. Still 870 doesn’t compare with the milled parts guns. I bought a new one in 1966, it’s still like new. I never liked it but it was first brand new shotgun I bought so I still have it. Same year I bought a new 742c 30/06, my first brand new deer rifle. All the sentimental value in the world could not save it. They should have been labeled insult rifles.
 
Very smooth operating pump gun. That's the first thing most people remark about it when handling one.
The double arm rail carrier is the main reason for that.
,,and when the critical areas along those arms get worn from heavy use, that's why the 31 won't feed correctly.

The bolt slide running along those rails moves the carrier up and down in a precise timing. When worn spots occur along the rails the carrier fails to move up or down as far or as quickly as needed and balky feeding occurs.

The shade tree fix is to gently squeeze the rails together. That lifts the shell up higher betw the 2 rail so it can be fed into the chamber easier.
But that only last a short time. Long enough for the seller to disappear out of sight of the new buyer.
The carrier can be rebuilt by welding if a suitible replacement can't be found. Many older parts are just as worn. A problem with any replacement parts for an older gun.

When buying one in person,, take a couple Dummy rounds along and feed them through the gun and make sure the gun functions OK. Should be NO balking at feeding the shell off the carrier and into the chamber.
If you have to double shuffle it to get the round to feed, the carrier is most likely getting worn. Shell stops should be positive and no double feeding out of the magazine.

The Mod 31 was made in several versions called 'Series' by the factory.
There's a 1931 Series,,1934,,1941.
Some parts are Series specific . Some are gauge specific.

There's also an Aluminum Alloy Lightweight version,,the Model 31L

Not to be confused with the Standard gun with a steel frame but fitted with an alloy trigger guard as an option (?) in later production.
Early trigger guards were steel.

I've replaced alloy trigger guards with steel ones for customers. As long as they are the same Series, the small parts exchange and a little fitting is necessary, the 'new' guard goes right back in.

The Model 31L Alloy frame guns have been known to develop cracks at the front of the frame where the bbl fits and also lower in front where the magazine tube is attached.
Nothing that seems to stop people from using the gun,,but the fine cracks in the alloy frame are there.

The 20 and 16ga Model 31L guns are some of the lightest at about 5.5+ lbs.
Vent ribs on Model 31's (and Model 10 and Model 11 shotguns) were made as one piece with the bbl itself. Not an added assembly. The posts and the rib are all machined out of the same billet of steel that the bbl itself is made from.


Prices?,,check the recent closed auctions for similar Model 31's. Pay close attention to wether the auctioned guns are original, have VRibs or plain bbls, cut bbls. polychokes added, cut butt stocks and pads added, all the normal stuff that can add or detract from value.

The bbl if Factory orig to the gun, should be ser# usually on the bottom near the breech. So that TD of the bbl would be necessary to see the #.
 
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Thanks for all the input...................special thanks to 2152hq nice write up!

While it's the cheapest gun in the shop ...... seems a tad high and a bit of a risk.

Not a big shotgun guy..... think I'll let it sit a week.
 
One thing I have seen. There are many guns of all kinds bought by guys that only shot or hunted occasionally. You run into a shotgun or deer rifle that looks like new on outside, it’s usually same on inside. The older milled pump guns only had one slide bar, newer stuff has two to make up for slop.
 
"...newer stuff has two to make up for slop."

Or because it's better engineering, and stronger. People always like stuff made before a certain time, but they don't know why they like it, it's just better because it was made by magic elves instead of people. Or something. :confused:

Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of older things for a variety of reasons, I just get weary of people giving modern items a hard time just because they think it's cool. Or something.
 
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