By that I mean a striker fired pistol who's striker is completely at rest before a pull on the trigger compresses the striker and spring and then releases it to fire. This is the reason I went with the M&P380 over the Ruger offerings, why my M&P9 1.0 has a manual safety and why I will not carry my Shield.45 . It is why I am so on the fence about buying a P365 even with the manual safety. I know me and my ingrained habits over these past 64 yeas 8 months and 13 days on this planet. I grew up around people who pocket carried J frames and dick specials without holsters and that is how I carry them. That is also how I carry my M&P380. To me a holster is something you put a gun it to carry on a belt or waist concealed or not. That is me and I can take the ridicule...but to get back to my original question is there anywhere out there a true double action striker fired weapon for pocket carry????
What I would REALLY want is a hammer fired P365

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This probably isn't a practical suggestion, but the first thing that came to my mind is the H&K P7 family of pistols. The striker doesn't cock until the grip is squeezed, then de-cocks completely when released.

Availability and cost may be prohibitive, though.

Kahr pistols are pretty close. I believe that the striker is 'partially cocked' by the action of the slide. Pulling the trigger completes the cocking and releases the striker.

Naroh Arms N1, but they seem to have gone out of business. DA, hammer fired. Or, the Keltec PF9. I think the SCCY has s DA trigger.

So are the Ruger LCP and LC9..

closest thing to a true DA hammer fired 365 would be a SIG P250 Sub Compact in 9mm... they are out there... and are either cheap or expensive... not sure why... last two I saw at a gunshow were marked $300 & $695??? they are a square revolver with a long smooth trigger if you get the chance to try one... they are kinda the
"redheaded stepchild" in the Sig world but paved the way for the P320... being a "gray redhead" I really like the P250... I have 4 of the 5 calibers offered and all 3 sizes of slides and frames... and a few color selections as well... got in when they were determined to be junk... just like most of my 40S&W's... I love sheeple

Taurus have made several striker fired pistols with "second strike" capability where if a round doesn't go you simply pull again for another go. However, I'm not certain if that means the striker is totally at rest in normal circumstances.

Personally, with the firing pin block a standard item on most, if not all, striker fired pistols, I wouldn't sweat it. The striker cannot release if the trigger hasn't been pulled.

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The SCCY CPX-2 is a great gun, light, 10+1 9mm, pocketable, hammer-fired DAO, and inexpensive. CPX-2 version has no safety. Mine was very reliable after a minimum of break-in.

Having said that, the trigger pull is looooooong! If you can deal with that, it's a good choice.

Kahr triggers may be too light for what he wants.

How about the Beretta Nano or Pico?

The SCCY design is pure double action but hammer instead of striker. They are ultra-safe as it is nearly impossible to have an unintentional discharge with a SCCY, even more so with the CPX-1 (9mm) which has a separate safety lever that disconnects the trigger from the hammer. But the long heavy trigger pull (about like a revolver's) does take some getting used to. Even though inexpensive, they are very well-made and reliable pistols. They won't win any shooting matches, but that's not what they were designed to do.

I'll throw one out there you might not have thought of. The Ruger P93 hammer fired DAO. Compact version of the P89 series. These guns were a long time issue to The Federal Bureau of Prisons, and were in use when I taught at the FLETC. Reliable, and actually a good DAO trigger, that well simulated a DA revolver, in my opinion. Second strike capability. A little bulky and heavy compared to todays new generation pistols, they were a good DAO gun, and are available used for not a ton of money.

Larry

I also would like too know the answer. My brother has a Taurus that is supposed to be striker fired with a DA trigger and it will click every time the trigger is pulled but I don't know of any way to actually check if the striker is cocking and falling. Could be anything clicking. I would like to see a cut away showing the gun working. With a hammer fired I can watch the hammer but I can't see the striker. Larry

I had numerous problems with mine from day one. I retired it after 2 years of frustration.


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The P93 is a great gun, but not likely to fit in the OP’s pocket. Or anyone else’s

How about a cs9 sa/da not striker but very close in size to m&p shield

Close in size but much thicker and heavier.

So....just wondering, is the problem that you don't trust modern striker fired guns to be totally safe? It's really not safe to carry any gun, including a revolver, in your pocket without something protecting the trigger. The long, heavy trigger pull of the DA gun doesn't guarantee it won't go off when carried in the pocket.

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I bought my SCCY mostly because it was red. I only took it to the range once, had some issues, haven''t tried again. But I like that it's red. I'm immature that way.

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I don't know about their current line, but my old Taurus PT111 Millennium Pro and PT145 Millennium Pro are both second-strike capable, and the only way a striker fired gun can have second-strike with the same trigger pull is if the entire cocking and release of the striker is accomplished by the action of the DA trigger. If it weren't the second strike trigger pull would have to be different than the first pull - and it isn't. At least not for these older versions. Whether the new versions are the same or not is a question I can't answer.

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Agreed. What I don't know is the state of the striker in "normal" use rather than "second strike" mode.

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Glock leg vs. revolver leg. Discuss...

It is the same - the fact that the trigger pull is exactly the same for first and second strike is proof.
Like I said, if the striker were partially "pre-cocked" for the first strike the trigger pull for the second strike would be different - and it isn't. The trigger pull cocks and releases the striker exactly the same for first AND second strikes, and we know that for second strike it isn't "pre-cocked" so since the trigger pull is the same for both first and second strike it cannot be "pre-cocked" for first strike either. If it were the trigger pulls would be doing different amounts of work and would feel different. They don't - so therefore they are the same, and therefore the striker is at rest before both first AND second strikes.

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You might consider a DAO.. like a 3953

Yep..Racking the slide only resets the trigger. Same as live fire cycling..

One possible solution is a "trigger holster". Just slides over the trigger to prevent contact. Very safe. You can tie the lanyard to your belt or belt loop. Viola.

I carry my "shoots around corners" model 442 like this at home all the time.....in my jeans watch pocket no less. (no, this is not my 442)

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The Keltec PF9 is DAO hammer fired. I really like it, especially at the price point. I bought a used one with laser and belt clip for 210.00 landed. It runs and runs.

Since you're already comfortable with J frames, why are you wanting to switch to a semi? Not saying I prefer one over the other for carry just wondering why you want to switch.

What about the Walther P99 and P99c, with the AS trigger?

The AS trigger acts like a DA pull (long 12 lbs. trigger), and subsequent shots are short, 5 lbs

It's essentially a striker fired DA/SA gun.

I've been interested in it myself. 007 used it!

The RM 380 is DAO, not striker fired. If they would just chamber it in 9MM like its Rohrbaugh cousin.

Walther P99 AS-C

The better answer, much as it will not go over well, is a good quality pocket holster. I carry that way almost all the time with complete confidence and comfort. The one I use most is a Kramer leather product that I have had for ... most of 20 years. I expect it to last the rest of my life.

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That’s what I was thinking. The button on the top decocks the striker to a DA mode.

Or buy a DAO Smith like a 3953 or 6946.

Oops. Just saw you wanted pocket carry. Ruger LC9. Original model, not the LC9S. It’s a hammer fired gun but a long trigger pull. Very safe for pocket carry. I seem to remember it had double strike capability. Manual safety, too. And magazine disconnect but you can remove that. Uses same mags as the LC9S and EC9S so mags and holsters are sill plentiful. And used you can get one for under $200.

I fee the same as you. I have a few striker fired guns and they all have manual safeties. I’m just more comfortable with hammer fired guns. My carry is an LC9S.

I carried a S&# 38 bare in my pocket for a few years and still have my scrotum. It takes a lot of force to pull the trigger on a DA revolver. That was back when apparently jeans had bigger pockets. (See next paragraph.)

I've got a Sig 365 and trust its trigger and safety, which I don't use. Better in a pocket holster, safety wise, and I have one with intent to carry front pocket-wise. The gun fits without printing and is entirely safe, but getting it out takes more time than any other holster I have, and I have quite a few. The pistol wants to rotate butt forward until it's more or less horizontal in my pocket. I don't remember this happening back in my 38 days.

Same with a J-frame. Easier to carry it naked but still slow to deploy.

Of course, you have to pay attention to the inner man who tells you not to pocket carry a striker fired pistol, but I think a lot of it's psychological.

I’m surprised no one has mentioned a Sig P290.

I own a full size Sig P250 in .45acp and I like it for it's DAO firing mechanism. It feels rather safe when one is in the pipe due to the long trigger sequence. No external safety. It's the same feeling as having a fully loaded DAO revolver........except with doublestrike capability if warranted.

Due to shooting revolvers it's long DAO trigger doesn't bother me at all accuracy wise. In fact I jokingly refer to it as my 10-shot .45acp revolver. (Well actually 10+1 when I feel the need for such.)

The P250 gets poo'd on a lot for it's long DAO trigger.........primarily from those used to shooting single action type handguns I feel. With practice one can learn to stage the P250's trigger much like any double action revolver for more precision work.

Practicing with the P250 has definitely made me a better SA and DA shooter!

I feel this is also the reason I enjoy my 642 (DAO) revolver so much.

I paid $400 NIB for my Sig P250 about 10 years or so ago, maybe a tad longer than that even. I did buy a spare mag as it only came with 1.........which I thought was unusual but maybe they were trying to keep the cost as low as possible for purchasers.(?)

I'd love to have a subcompact P250 kit (in 9x19) for my fire control group as they are interchangeable........but for what they want price wise for the parts you can buy a complete 'nother gun!

Dale

My Keltec P11 is the same way.

In fact, I think all my DAO only pistols are......

I have an S&W 5943 and an S&W Shield and a Sig P250 and they all work the same way, I think.

Edit: Oh, I suppose the Sig and the Third Gen have hammers, but the Keltec is striker, I guess. I'll have to look closer.

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It's funny that the OP asked about striker fired guns and most of the suggestions given relate to hammer fired, both external and internal. Even then many of those are not true DAO guns as they require a degree of hammer precock from the slide.

As for the original question, I think only Taurus have built semiautos that could remotely be considered DAO with a striker and make them small enough to be considered for pocket carry. The G2S and G2C come to mind. Read this review and make up your own minds.

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In hammer fired guns, I can only the SCCY CPX series, Sig P250 subcompact and P290RS meet the pocket carry and full DAO requirements AFAIK.

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The Kel Tec P11 is DAO but has a hammer. The part is so small and unobtrusive that insisting on a gun with a striker that functions the same way seems a bit much.

You can always go back to the first modern DAO striker model, the HK VP-70. Trying to get through a full magazine on that one without your trigger finger cramping up big time is a major challenge.

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Then get a P250 compact or sub compact. It is a DA only, hammer fired P320. All the grips and barrels of the P320 work with it.

Yes but the line "what I want is hammer fired P365" leads to hammer fired suggestions.

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As for the original question, I think only Taurus have built semiautos that could remotely be considered DAO with a striker and make them small enough to be considered for pocket carry. The G2S and G2C come to mind.

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I thinking the G3C has the same trigger and if it is the striker is cocked the same as other striker fired pistols. The striker is not at rest unless the trigger is pulled on an empty chamber or the gun fails to fire. That leads me too believe it's not any safer to carry than other striker fired gun. Larry

They're good enough mechanical clones (and better, cosmetically)
of the Kel-Tec P-11, that Kel-Tec discontinued making it.

Neither the PF-9 or the P-11 is a "double action striker" gun.
Both are DAO, trigger-cocked hammer actions. The PF-9
uses a 'semi-cocked to full cock' action, with slide action
required between releases, while the P-11 mimics the DA
action of a revolver (infinite restrike ability).

The only "double action striker" pistol I've encountered was
a small 9mm Taurus. Met a gal at a range who had one, and
was learning how to shoot. I handled it briefly and was
surprised to realize Taurus had incorporated something in the
design to draw striker back far enough (seemingly) to build
up enough spring compression to pop primers...or so it
seemed, from casual handling. I didn't take it apart to
investigate it in depth, and don't remember what model it
was.

There's also the Beretta Pico in .380. It's a hammer-fired DAO pocket pistol.

I think the Walther P99c or S&W 99c will meet the requirements, if I remember these arms correctly. About the size of a G26, they have 10+1 rds of 9mm available, a little less in a 40. They have a slick slide manual decocker but no manual safety. Also have the ability(in anti-stress (AS) mode) to carry in "cocked" mode with trigger fully forward, but much lighter pull weight than full DA mode... Also the magazines came with and without the pinky rest, but same ammo capacity. SW99c could not take a light or laser and was a bit narrower at the business end than the Walther. Good luck!

Already have the M&P380 which fills that niche beautifully.
Thank you all for your thoughtful responses.I'm gonna look at the SIG P250 compact. And maybe I might rethink my aversion to pocket holsters........
Or just say screw it and stay old school with my M&P380 and my 638.
But I WANT to buy a new gun dammit

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I believe you want a Nano, it’s listed as striker fired DAO


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I love my 250c and 250sc but would not use either for pocket carry due to size and weight. They are similar in size to the M&P 1.0 9/9c. For pocket carry I would look at the 290RS, which has a similar trigger but a bit heavier. My p250’s have a long, smooth pull in the 7-8 lb range. I don’t own a 290RS but have checked them out before and would say the trigger is in the 10lb range and not quite as smooth as the 250. In the end, I preferred my j frame over the 290RS but would be worth you checking one out.

I looked at complete caliber (and size) conversion kits for my P250................and ouch.

Would be better off just buying one of the many used complete police P250 trade-ins that seemed to be offered out there...........or a new different brand gun at a comparable price!

Dale

Welllll, if you are a Veteran and don't have a Glock, until November 11 you can get Police Pricing. Bring a copy of your DD214.

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DAO was/is something that came about because of LE. It has some advantages over DA/SA. I've been a DA/SA/no safety fan for awhile and never considered carrying anything else except a revolver, because I don't want a safety on a carry.

The advantages of DAO IMO are 1) no safety, 2) consistent trigger pull and 3) easier to train novice shooters because of less controls. The fewer controls in a stressful situation the better. Probably why Glocks are so popular with LE.

Strikers won't work for me because I don't like carrying a cocked pistol without a safety and I don't like safeties on my carry.

HK LEM trigger might be a consideration. I have a P-30 SK with that trigger. When the slide is racked, it's cocked for SA but won't fire without the long DA pull and hammer movement. The difference is the trigger is a constant 4.5 lbs, not the hurkin 9 lbs of most DA/SA pistols in DA mode. No Glock leg because when you holster it a thumb on the hammer prevents any trigger movement. It can't fire unless that hammer comes back. No safety and no decocker to mess with. It's like DAO and a revolver in a lot of ways.

One warning. HK calls it a sub compact but it isn't. It's more Glock 19 size than sub compact.

Lots of people don't like that long trigger pull but I don't find it hard to master. People have become accustomed to SA triggers but I'm not so sure those are a good idea in a carry pistol.

I got this P-30 SK LEM by mistake. I decided to try it and I like it hugely. My Sig p239 might be going down the road.

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