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Classic12, is that Victory a .38 S&W or a .38 S&W Special?
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Great thread, some awesome firearms and shooting. Thanks for taking the time to show us what’s going on in Switzerland.
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Nice toys to play with. Is it true there it’s the law that every Swiss citizen is a trained marksman and owns a gun in every household? They can all shoot accurately.
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No, none of that is true, though conscription means that the majority of males get military training and service, with the opportunity to buy their service weapon at the end of service.
What I found when living there, is that the Swiss believe in expertise at what they do, and extensive training, so I'd bet that good shooting skills are common in the sport's participants there.
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30 years ago it was very difficult to avoid military service and the Swiss army was supposedly able to mobilise 600’000 men within 48 hours (in a country of 6 million people back then). Nowadays and with the end of the Cold War, the army was reduced to 150’000 men.
Marksmanship depends a lot of each individual’s ambition and I have a lot of friends who were in the army (since it was compulsory) but who have no interest in guns or shooting.
Nevertheless it is still a very popular sport or hobby so I’d guess that we have a good number of capable shooters.
Also in the past in was very natural to keep the rifle or pistol at the end of the service, so attics are filled with K11/K31 and Stgw 57 and 90 as well as Swiss Lugers, P49 (Sig P210) and P75 (Sig P220). But the new generation is less interested and many leave the weapon with the army now.
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Under the butt plate on my k31 well under most k31’s is the name and address of the person in the Swiss Army who owned the rifle.
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And that has carried on with the Stgw 57 and 90
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Classic12, is that Victory a .38 S&W or a .38 S&W Special?
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.38 S&W (Short and Weak, before they invented the .40 S&W)
I bought it five years ago at an auction for $ 120
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The last two Saturdays a couple of friends and I decided to do something different. We have access to the summer range since my buddies are in the shooting committee, one of them is actually the President of the Association and they have the keys. They also got the green light from the local authorities. The weather was fairly nice and mostly dry.
I picked up some solid frying pans from the junkyard. Some rattle can spray. You see where this is going.
We attached them with wire to the frame at the 50 m lanes (there’s also this little metallic arrow, and we shot some cigar tubes as well, those are challenging targets even with a scoped .22 and a little wind).
And off they go
This is what it looks like at 50 meters
We brought several guns with us and decided to limit it to .22 lr. since families like to stroll in this region and we didn’t want to be too much of a nuisance.
Scoped Savage Mark II bolt action (not pictured)
FN Trombone pump action
Scoped Ruger 10-22 semi auto
Sig P210 .22 lr conversion
AMT Lightning
One buddy brought this nice S&W 17-6 8 3/8”
and a semi auto FN in .22 short
Another buddy brought a CZ 457 bolt action rifle and his new Glock 44
Temperature is cold but the range is hot
We had a ton of (cheap) fun and blasted some 7-800 rounds..
Good thing I recently bought 5000 rounds at $ 90.-/1000
I also brought along my two Anacondas to show them to my friends. They couldn’t resist and insisted we put a couple of rounds with the 4”. I had some old Remington 240 JHP in the speedloaders
Went trough like butter
Another great shooting day in Switzerland.
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I just hope you weren't using good vintage Griswold or Wagner skillets.
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I just hope you weren't using good vintage Griswold or Wagner skillets.
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Don’t even know what that is. Fyi I live in Switzerland
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Took some more real Classic handguns at the 25 m indoor range today
1979 FN GP35 Capitan
1940 Colt M1903 Hammerless (that one was a bit of a stretch at 25 m today)
1936 Mauser Luger
1979 Colt GM Mark IV series’ 70 9mm Luger
1972 S&W 66
And a Classic rifle at the 50m range
1980 Colt AR-15 SP1 carbine with a vintage 3X Colt scope
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Some 50 m indoor range shooting
Rifles standing
SA M1A loaded
AR-15 SP1
Sporter lightweight 9 mm
Handguns rested
Python Silhouette
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Some 50 m indoor range shooting
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Looks like Ami day at the range.
Nice choices.
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I managed to sneak in at the indoor 25/50 m range a few times in the last three weeks. Essential business as far as I am concerned, just to keep sane in this weird period.
S&W 53-2 - 1974
The flamethrower
Colt King Cobra .38 - 1993
Sig P210-5 target
AMT Small Game Hunter II
COLT AR-15 A2 Gvt Carbine - 1989
Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless - 1940
CZ 75 short rail - 1978
CZ 75 short rail - 1975
S&W 19-3 - 1970
Remington Rand 1911A1 - 1943
Ruger NM Blackhawk .30 Carbine - 1984
Colt Python - 1996
Colt 1911 - 1913
Mauser Luger - 1936
Sig P49 - 1958
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The outdoor range has opened. Saturday was a nice day, started sunny then a little overcast
The 25 m range on the bottom, the 50 m range on top, rimfire carbine on the left, pistol on the right
The 300 m rifle range on the right
Started with some .22lr warmup with the S&W 41
Then practice with the Sig P210-5
98
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And 99. Would have liked to score 100, well maybe another day
Some wheel guns with wad cutters
S&W 27-3
S&W 66
CZ 75
And some antiques
Mauser Luger 1936. It has a 10 lbs trigger so it’s hard work
FN GP 35 1944
This one shoots all over, maybe the workers at the factory during the German occupation didn’t put their best effort in this one
In any case a great way to spend a Saturday afternoon
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Thanks for sharing these photos! You seem to shoot that Model 66 very well. Is this one-handed or two-handed?
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Thanks for sharing these photos! You seem to shoot that Model 66 very well. Is this one-handed or two-handed?
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We need more of that kind of shooting here in the U.S. Maybe you should come over as a kind of "missionary" and spread the doctrine of "slow down and shoot tight groups"!
Joking aside, if I can ever get things sorted out so that I can go shooting regularly, I intend to get back to basics and do the kind of shooting that you do. Thanks for sharing the great pictures!
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Saturday was a busy shooting day
First, one club were I’m a member had a .22 lr morning session
On arrival we found out some member had just replaced the old rotten wood barrier, we still have to identify who did this beautiful job .
The shooters touch : a Sig P210 and a Swiss Luger carved in the barrier
I started with some casual steel plinking at 25 and 50 m
Then I tried some serious practice
S&W 17-6
AMT Lightning
S&W 41
Quick lunch break with a Swiss cheese fondue prepared by a Swiss member, this variation is with mushrooms
Then I drove a short 7 miles to another club where the afternoon was for shooting service pistols
SIG P210-6 in 9mm
Same model but in 7.65 mm
CZ 75 short rail from 1975
S&W 66 from 1972
HK P8
I was getting a bit tired and my groups became larger and shifted away
So I took a little rest by shooting 40 rounds of GP11 / 7.5 X 55 mm Swiss with my Stgw 57 / Sig 510-1 in the prone position at the 300 m range
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Classic, thank you for continuing to update this thread. Agreed that shooting sports is an essential business.
Nice Tag Heuer. Please share more pictures of: first year delivery 210-1 from 1949.
That gun is amazing. Congrats!
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Classic, thank you for continuing to update this thread. Agreed that shooting sports is an essential business.
Nice Tag Heuer. Please share more pictures of: first year delivery 210-1 from 1949.
That gun is amazing. Congrats!
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Thanks. There you go
And here is the original thread on it when I bought it
SIG P 210-1 army
And an interesting test target with the description. Quite amazing accuracy for a service pistol (or ten pistols in that case)
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Quick lunch break with a Swiss cheese fondue prepared by a Swiss member, this variation is with mushrooms
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Yeah baby, I'd be all in on that lovely cheesy pot of delishiousness!!!
None of that gluten free lactose intolerance nonsense at that table. Bon appetit.
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And please share a picture of the Heuer.
I have liked them for some time now.
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Sorry forgot to reply
Here it is, nothing special I think, bought it in 2005, so a modern Tag Heuer unlike yours, which are originals from the Jack Heuer era I believe
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It’s been a while since I updated this post, and I’ve shot quite a bit since then.
End July the indoor shooting range owner organised an outdoor 200 m shooting session in the countryside (it’s actually a military terrain).
There are paper targets as well as reactive “jockey” targets, in yellow
My comfy setup in the gravels
I decided to be reasonable and not haul too many weapons
M1 Carbine Underwood. I hadn’t shot this one past 50 meters yet. It was a joy to shoot and the jockeys were popping down easily, even standing.
SA M1A loaded. Same, 1st time at 200 meters, very accurate with open sights although on the heavy side when standing
Colt AR-15 SP1 with original scope, a regular feature, light, easy and accurate
Colt M4 with an ACOG, first time out at 200 meters also. Easy and trouble-free
Ruger 10/22 target. First time shooting at 200 meters with any .22 lr. Worked surprisingly well.
And a couple of handguns, Manurhin MR73 .357 magnum and SIG P210-6 .30 Luger. That was hard work, I’d say I recorded a 40-60% hit rate only.
This target is a mix of M1A / .308 and Ruger .22
This one was rapid fire with the Ruger once I had the correct holdover for 200 meters (rifle is sighted in for 50 meters)
This bloke had a wild muzzle break on his AR
Another fun Saturday morning.
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There in the background is a uniquely "Swiss" thing. The timber art that is the Swiss stacked wood pile.
A person couldn’t help but notice what diligence, care and thoroughness a farmer piled his fireplace wood.
We had a saw mill at the end of our street in Muhen, and the planks of the sawn logs were perfectly spaced and stacked in a drying shed for years. They would selectively harvest the timber from the town's forest, and leave the site immaculate and looking almost untouched.
Smaller branches were neatly cut, stacked, and covered along the forest roads. Eventually, they would be moved alongside the barn, melding a perfect architectural collage by the thorough Swiss.
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We reached the end of the outdoor shooting season here in Switzerland, with two friendly club closing pistol competitions
First my own club. Ten shots at 25 meters and ten shots at 50 meters
I used two different (but almost identical) SIG P210-6, the 9 mm for 25 m (bottom) and the 7.65 mm for 50 m (top), so I don’t have to mess with the sights at different distances
The 25 m ordnance target, 97/100
The 50 m field target, counting 1 to 5 rings
First two practice shots, perfect, almost too good to be true
The ten shots, 42/50
Result. Finished 3rd out of 27 with 139/150 and 29/30 on the practice shots, used to break eventual ties.
The 50 m lane
Followed by a drink outside and a nice meal inside (deer fondue Bourguignonne)
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The week after we were invited by the Lausanne police corp shooting club.
25 meters competition, 5 practice shots and 20 competition shots on the ISSF speed target
Again the 210-6 9 mm is my weapon of choice, with vintage military ammo
1st pass in 5 minutes
2nd pass in 3 minutes
3rd pass in 60 seconds
4th pass in 40 seconds
Result, 2nd out of 19 with 188/200 and 46/50 on practice, used to break ties.
And I made some money, as you get 10 Swiss francs if you score 175 or better and another 30 Swiss francs for 2nd place
Followed by drinks
Snacks
And food
Frog legs
Grilled beef
Garlic shrimps
Nice way to end the outdoor shooting season
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Very nice Oliver!!!
I'm very jealous. I have nothing even close to your facilities here. I found out last weekend that our club indoor 20 yard range has a leaky roof
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Food looks really good. Lovely countryside.
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The tendency of the Swiss to join clubs and then have events where townfolk come out to support each other's clubs was something I enjoyed.
Got to break bread with lots of nice folk and learn from them about subjects I'd never normally be exposed to. I miss those events, and appreciate the reminder.
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