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The Remington Bankruptcy Saga
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daddio202
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Such a shame to see Remington go. I have a few. A model 700 from 1965, a 513-t from 1955 they do not make em like that anymore, but my latest is an anniversary 870 Wingmaster from 2001. Just beautiful wood! Pictured here.
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LVSteve
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That's where they made the R51s that work. I have one because I collect guns with "out there" operating schemes.
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Well snap: Remington sell-off begins; machinery taken from Huntsville plant
Remington sell-off begins; machinery taken from Huntsville plant - al.com
Remington sell-off begins; machinery taken from Huntsville plant - al.com
yes, the LLion plant is where Rem 'attempted' to re-establish lever rifle production. Rem dug a big hole for themselves when they terminated the Marlin employees and sent in their own, clueless on how to operate tooling machines going back to the 20's. The subsequent inferior runs coming off the line generated Rem's decision to tool up a new plant and move lever rifle production there.
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MCorps0311
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Well, the comment was not meant to degrade the new location. If anybody ever shot clay targets at the Remington Lordship club, they got to shoot at a facility that was unequaled anywhere else. Yes the PSSA is bigger, and the ATA Home grounds is bigger, but none as beautiful and picturesque as Lordship.
They wanted cheap labor, and hurt the generations of families that had worked there. Also the sportsmen and clay target shooters. It was always a pleasure to go to the big trap shoots and see the Remington old gun men helping and repairing guns for product owners for free. They are all gone now. Mostly passed on.
In over 30 years i have not bought a new Remington product out of personal protest, and i am not alone in my thinking
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DWalt
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I have no idea whether there is still a Remington Gun Club in Lonoke, as it has been about 15 years since I have been there. Wasn't there some controversy about the Remington Lordship Club contaminating Long Island Sound waters with lead shot, and that was why it was shut down? I remember it was a somewhat creative interpretation of the Clean Water Act.
Remington is not alone in moving or ceasing its operations and leaving long-time workers in the lurch. For example numerous steel mills in the Ohio Valley from Pittsburgh west have shut down over the last 50 years, impoverishing many formerly prosperous communities in which the steel industry was the mainstay of the local economy. Companies move their operations elsewhere all the time for a multitude of reasons - to be more central to their markets, to gain tax advantages, as a result of modernization in which building a new and more efficient facility elsewhere makes more economic sense, better labor availability, lower labor costs, better political environments, community economic incentives, etc. Businesses exist for only one reason, which is to make profits for their investors and if that can be best accomplished by relocation, then it is management's responsibility to take actions necessary do it.
There are no ducks eating lead in 60 feet of water. My personal opinion is Remington created that scenario, because they folded like a cheap suitcase. The local clubs pledged 5 figure money to help with a legal battle. I was president of the largest and we alone pledged 10K.
it was clear, they wanted out!
As for the PA coal and steel industry that is a shame. We had one steel mill in RI that made high quality steel for music wire. The union shut that down.
PA still has the " Penneylvania Steel Products Procurement Act" In force requiring for the accounting of every piece of steel that that goes into a PA construction project. Right down to 1/4-20 hex nuts. Protecting an industry that does not exist. An unbearable nightmare to contend with
Me thinks a "Ruglin" stands a better chance than the "Remlin"
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DWalt
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The Federal Clean Water Act has no specific relationship to ducks feeding. It prohibits contamination of "Waters of the United States" from point sources without a discharge permit. And in this case, issuance of a permit by EPA would be impossible. Apparently EPA must have considered discharges from shotguns to be point source discharges which is the creative part. My guess is that Remington legal counsel concluded that fighting the EPA over indefensible violations was futile.
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Only took Remington 10 years to ruin Marlin
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The Lonoke manufacturing plant that DWalt mentioned is about 10 miles from my house. My wife called them one day and asked if they gave tours. They did not.
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DWalt
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And they won't. You must have some business there to get beyond the front lobby. No guided tours for the public. All my visits were on business.
Back during the Mike Huckabee period I happened to be in the Remington shotshell loading area one day. They had just run off some quantity of 12 gauge shells for him imprinted with his name and the Great Seal of Arkansas. Don't remember what type they were but probably goose loads, maybe made up for him to give out to his buddies in the legislature, contributors, etc., given all the goose hunting done in Arkansas. A few boxes of those would be good political goodwill gifts in Arkansas. One of the Remington guys told me making special shotshell imprinting runs were nothing unusual and they were set up to do it. I am sure they were more than pleased to do it for Mike.
They had a cafeteria in the Remington plant, I ate there several times. A typical industrial cafeteria but the food there was pretty good and cheap. Federal Cartridge also had a pretty good cafeteria, they shared it with another company in the same area. It was an electrical box manufacturing company also called Federal.
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it'a a global economy dominated by global conglomerates whose only concern is return on investment to shareholders. They have zero interest in workers pay, benefits, rights, environmental impact, the future of communities, only bottom line cost.
So if they can produce the same product or offer the same service somewhere cheaper, they will do so with zero regard to the economic destruction on the employees or communities that have depended on the workers earnings for decades.
My last full time work gig was managing faciities and construction for a global high tech conglomerate operating in 22 countries. Attended high confidentiality presentations that rationalized the grow them/hold them/fold them decisions that impacted hundreds, sometimes thousands of lives. All about the $$$$, and nothing else. Workers a mere cost line on spread sheets.
If there is anything that Covid should have made clear, is that whereas offshore production will make for more profits in the short term even with ten thousand mile supply chains, natural disasters of a sufficient scale will not only wipe those profits out, they may do the same to the companies themselves.
Flip the tax laws that everyone talks about and does zip to. Lower tax's to operate in the US, higher tax's to operate offshore.
So if they can produce the same product or offer the same service somewhere cheaper, they will do so with zero regard to the economic destruction on the employees or communities that have depended on the workers earnings for decades.
My last full time work gig was managing faciities and construction for a global high tech conglomerate operating in 22 countries. Attended high confidentiality presentations that rationalized the grow them/hold them/fold them decisions that impacted hundreds, sometimes thousands of lives. All about the $$$$, and nothing else. Workers a mere cost line on spread sheets.
If there is anything that Covid should have made clear, is that whereas offshore production will make for more profits in the short term even with ten thousand mile supply chains, natural disasters of a sufficient scale will not only wipe those profits out, they may do the same to the companies themselves.
Flip the tax laws that everyone talks about and does zip to. Lower tax's to operate in the US, higher tax's to operate offshore.
CAJUNLAWYER
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Just realized that I am on the waitlist at Bud's for a V3 TAC 13 
Bummer
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kreuzlover
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So, nobody is going to be making Remington 700's? What a shame! Some of the most accurate, affordable bolt actions ever made for the average man.
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DWalt
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I suspect that is a possibility, but so far we have been given no indications about what the Round Hill Group (which acquired the Remington gun-related product line and other gun related assets) plans to do regarding continuation of the gun product line. At least I haven't seen anything in writing. All I have seen is that they own the rights to the Remington name and plan to license it out. They could easily sell or lease out the Ilion plant and its equipment to some other gun manufacturer (for example, Henry) to continue manufacture of any or all of the Remington models (or any other guns). Or they could just liquidate all of the Remington physical assets.
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Golphin
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It was only a way overpriced custom rifle because Remington never made them and probably couldn't. I would guess the custom one they made were with old Marlin parts and were ridiculously priced. I hopoe no one ever paid that for one. I have 2 and they are fantastic rifles but not worth thousands of dollars
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