Yes I do. Junky mossbergs will never equal mdl 12's/37's or 870's. Price them at gun shows or pawn shops....You'll see.

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Certainly prices can vary regionally just like open chokes guns sell better in many states south of me, but in my area the full choke guns bring higher prices. In my area a Model 12 can bring $400 to $800 pretty easy depending upon condition, barrel length, choke, etc. While 870 12 guage Wingmasters in the same condition will bring a couple to several hundred dollars less in comparable condition. While thinning out my collection, it took me about a year to get $400 out of a very nice modern Wingmaster. The older "silver spoon" guns bring more. I just sold two nice 31's out of my collection for $400 each, but that's top end here. Cabelas bought a large 31 collection and have been selling them for $300. Hunting style Mossberg 500's are $200 guns. Local shops here may price them higher, but they seldom move. In my area Model 12's values really haven't increased any from what they were bringing 20 years ago.

Reginal pricing does make a difference. Several years ago a gun show owner friend of mine would but things cheap here that he sold for a profit in Tulsa, then buy things cheap in Tulsa that would sell at a profit here.

One thing to note in all of this, as far as shotguns go new pump guns are selling best in defense models and kid's entry level guns.

As an avid hunter I can tell you that I never see a Remington 870 or a Mossberg 500 in the hands of anything but a kid in a duck blind anymore. 10 years or so ago yes but not anymore. Benelli Super Black Eagles dominate and for good reason. Some Beretta autos and the occasional Auto 5 Browning, and either Beretta or Browning over and unders from time to time. I do see Benelli Nova / Super Nova sometimes as well.

If Remington wants to reincarnate themselves they've got to make an auto as monumental as the 1100 was back in the day. That 105 debacle they had for a minute or the Versa Max ain't it.

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I don't see how anyone is going to compete with Benelli/Beretta or Mossberg. It's a dwindling market for sure.

I've never owned a Mossberg but I understand the market for those. I moved to Beretta years ago for my field and target guns because I've literally owned everything except a Mossberg in the last 50 years. I've even owned some hand made British game guns.

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Remington 870 in 12 guage was the first shotgun I bought. Deer hunting in the Irish Alps only shotguns can be used. 20 " bbl with rifle sights and pretty accurate with Remington slugs. Moved to louisiana and started hunting down here.Decided to get a 28" barrel with bead sights. Guy at Remington said get the express model. Cheaper than the barrel. Got the express model and just the thing for hunting in the swamps. Then two gunshows back to back I scored two Remington 870 police turn in riot guns. Now they are fun. Refinished the wood on one came out good. The other may end up a truck gun. So for me it's the 870 Frank

You can add the Winchesters M12 and 1897, as well as the 1200, plus the Remington 870 (used by the USMC for many years), Ithaca 37, and Stevens 67 to your military shotgun list. According to an old hunting buddy of mine, an Okinawan US Army machine gunner, the Ithaca 37 was the preferred shotgun for perimeter security around the gun ," because it dont give no trouble". The Ithaca has some 21 less parts than an 870, and they are all milled.

I inherited my dads 870 2-3/4" Wingmaster with 28" plain barrel. I remember my dad had trouble with two shells coming out of the magazine on to the lifter tying the gun up but I never had that problem when I owned it. When synthetic stocks and non reflective finishes became popular I thought that was so cool so I bought a 12 gauge 3" 870 . Then I was in a Walmart and noticed a 20 gauge 870 express with rifle sighted 20" barrel on sale for $175 I said I wanted to buy it and when the lady brought out the box to my surprise it also included a 28" vent rib barrel! I then bought a Mossberg Maverick 12 gauge just because it was cheap and I was in the mood to buy a gun and after some shooting and hunting I really liked it. The stock was too long and I cut about 3/4" off and reinstalled the recoil pad and it fit me much better since I'm 5-9. The older 870s definitely are prettier and classier but for hunting and shooting Mossbergs are just fine.

Good question OP, perhaps Ruger...

I likely bought my last 870, a Tac 14.

Other than a Winchester model 12, I carried an 870 for bulk of my LE career. I am glad I snagged it when I did. Found it at Scheels for $279, you can rarely find em now.

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Comparing stamped guns to milled guns is apples and oranges. There is no comparison other than both will discharge a shell. The classics we will call generation 1. The 870/ Moss of stamping we will cal Gen. 2. Today’s guns of plastics, synthetics, alloy castings and painted finishes we will call Gen 3
The moral of story is profit margin. Rem had the pump shotgun market for years with 870. Then they killed the golden goose when they let the bean counters run the company. They did same thing with 1100s which were top selling auto loader. I know of no gun that was “improved” except for the production cost.

My one and only shotgun is a Remington 870. I bought this brand new in the early '70's. I'm not a hunter, and bought it for HD. When I discovered Scattergun Technologies, I had their basic conversion done. I think it was like $170. This was before they were bought out by Wilson Combat. I left the rifle sights on the gun because, for me, target acquisition is way faster than with a ghost ring set-up, and keeps better for slugs. The quality is quite good for the gun and the conversion.

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Nothing to do with make or model of shotgun the ghost ring or any other aperture rear is faster and more accurate than conventional rear sight. The problem with them is they aren’t used properly. They are used as back site. Once trained in their use guys opinions change. They are the same on rifles
for shooting running game they are hard to beat. The use of them on our military rifles is no accident. Also used on match rifles of all kinds including muzzle loaders. Down side is they have no magnification as a scope. It’s same type of thing as trying to teach shooting a handgun to guy who has shot a rifle his whole life.