Colt 1917 problem

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A friend has a Colt New service that the trigger won’t return. When you pull the trigger the hammer falls but the trigger stays back. If you just lower the hammer the trigger will return. He asked if I would look at it. I pulled the side plate, never having even shot a colt revolver, the guts of a Colt look like a Rube Goldberg mousetrap. I was just curious if anyone familiar with Colts could guess at what is wrong. It looks like the mainspring has something to do with it, but not sure.
 
This is all conjecture on my part, just going off the diagrams in the link.

Maybe the rebound lever? I'm guessing you wouldn't be able to cock and fire the gun with a broken mainspring, could be wrong and it sounds like you can.

Maybe try the colt forum too?

Colt 1917 Revolver Parts & Schematic | Numrich
 
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The safety bar (like a transfer bar), Part #5 in the Numrich schematic -they call it the 'Safety) may be deformed a bit or otherwise jamming in it's slot in the frame.

It's pushed up and down by the 'Lever',,part#7.
This all sits on the right side of the hammer in milled slots & channels in the frame and works off of the motion of the Trigger.
Simple short, small dia pins running in the slots in that Lever make things work. The Lever rotates on the hammer pin, the large hole in the part.

Just a guess, but pulling on the trigger and letting the hammer fall on it's own may pull the 'Safety' down harder and further and to a point where the Safety is jamming in it's lower position.
Dirt, deformed Safety edges. or both,,the Safety sticks there. That holds the trigger in the rear position unless the lower arm of the mainspring is strong enough to push it back and return it forward.

It could also be in that "lever' or it's cut-out in the frame or those small pins that connect the parts. They do wear out.

Gently pulling the trigger and letting the hammer down puts no or very little stress on those parts and a bit less movement.
Perhaps they don't get pulled or pushed to the point where they jam in position.

(The lower arm of the mainspring does not work directly against the trigger, but instead it powers the rebound lever. The rebound lever inturn powers the hand. The hand being pinned to the trigger, the trigger also benefits from the spring tension and uses it as a return spring.

Lots going on inside the old style Colt DA.
A good cleaning can really help and is always a first step in their repair.

Those parts (Safety, Lever..) are among the last to be removed from the frame in a complete dis-assembly being 'behind' the hammer.
Take care removing the V mainspring. They come out easily if done correctly as well as re-installing them.
Horsing them out, they can break very easily as well.
No pliers
 
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Thanks for the, abridged I'm sure, explanation of whats going on in there. With the video in front of me and your insight I might try disassembling it we'll see. This particular gun is a commercial gun, but I can't believe they carried these mousetraps in combat.
Thanks again
 
I'd try thoroughly flushing the innards out with brake cleaner or similar before biting the bullet and disassembling. I've known of gunsmiths who've had difficulty putting Colts back together properly.

Good luck!

(Don't get me wrong: I love Colts every bit as much as I love S&Ws, and don't subscribe to the belief that they go out of time quickly, etc. I just believe that they are more intricate, and more difficult to disassemble and assemble properly without training.)
 
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As many Colts have "seen the elephant" as have S&Ws. Charlie Askins carried Colts in his gun fighting days. Those who know them well point out that in the older Colt actions one part often filled several functions hence disassembly and reassembly required a little more care.
 
Intricate for sure and unforgiving generally if you try to make 'adjustments' to one part thinking it may fix a problem. It usually makes another problem appear.

Delicate is a word often used in describing the parts and how they must fit together for everything to function & time correctly.
The cylinder bolt works off a cam surface to retract and then drop back onto the cylinder. A hold over from the SAA design which used the same idea in function.
The return spring for the bolt is a very tiny dia coil spring that fits in a hole drilled into the edge of the part.
Talk about small and easy to jam up.
Sometimes difficult to remove the Bolt from the frame even after the pivot screw is taken out.
That tiny spring gets kinked in removal or re-install. Then you have a Cylinder Bolt problem introduced into the gun.

The ejector 'star' is staked into place and removal is not a simple unscrew the ejector rod system like the S&W.
You can see the stake marks in the bottom of the hole in the center of the ratchet where the cylinder Latch (Thumb Piece) engages.
Lots of Colts get messed up with people trying to disassemble the cylinder.
 

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