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Old 07-14-2021, 01:05 AM
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I recently acquired an old (1871) Purdey double hammer 12 ga. sxs out of the Pike national forest area,, and it looks like it has made several excursions up and down the mountains. One completely broken hammer spur, the other one missing the tip, cracked stock, checkering all worn off, dented Damascus barrels, but it still locks up tight and would still shoot given proper ammo. I would love to do a full restoration, but I don't want to ship it out of country. Any recommendations? Third pic is what it is supposed to look like and the serial # is only a few off from mine.
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I apologize for being a bit confused—was it found out in the National forest?

I would start here— Servicing | Purdey & Sons
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It reads as though it was found in the area of a National Forest, not out of the wilderness.

As usual, it depends on what your intentions are for it. Someone on this side of the pond may be able to inspect it, find the parts and repair the stock to make it functional (with black powder shells only, I presume) but I could imagine a full restoration running four to five figures, if it is even possible.
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I know who could do it, but I don't know if they would, but Turnbull Restoration would be at least 4 figures and maybe a little closer to five. But it's not their usual gun, and they might not want to take it on. Of course that's a full restoration, not just getting her functional.
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I understand you wanting to improve the gun. Projects like this take a lot of time and can get quite expensive. You may end up with a gun that’s difficult to sell and you may not recoup the investment. Still, it would be nice to own a shootable Purdy. I’d probably consider getting a set of Briley 20 GA tubes fitted, so I could shoot modern ammo.

Removing dents and re-browning the barrels should be fairly straightforward. Repairing, refinishing and re-checkering the stock shouldn’t be a big deal either.

Good luck finding original hammers. You may need someone to weld, re-contour, re-checker and refinish the existing ones.
As I understand it, British gunmakers don’t re-case receivers. That’s probably best left alone.

Purdy would be the obvious choice to hand the job and would add the most value to the gun. I don’t know the laws, but shipping an antique back to the manufacturer for repair may not be a big hurdle. If that’s out of the question, I’d contact Turnbull or DelGrego & Son and see if they would be willing to tackle it. I’m guessing you’re looking at a minimum of $2K-$3K.
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DVUS, remember that advise is generally worth you pay for it. So here is my free advice. You have two Very different options. First leave that Purdy shotgun alone and have a Neat display piece. Second if you are willing and able to afford a redo, GO BIG or do not bother. Spend the money to have that guy Properly restored. The choice is up to you. Best of luck with your decision.
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I'd have the barrel wall thickness measured before you proceed with anything. If there thin then and unsafe with low pressure shells such as those from RST than you've hit a wall that can't be climbed. A full restoration will easily run $5K probably more. IIRC Purdey has a servicing representative in Texas. You will get more information if you ask your questions on doublegunshop.com
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I would contact Daniel Philip Cote at the Double Gun Journal their web site is The Double Gun Journal- World's Finest Sporting Gun Magazine and ask them. They will be able to direct you in a logical fashion on this.
They also have a forum The Double Gun Journal - Double Barreled Shotguns, Drillings, Double Guns, Combination Guns, Double Rifles, SxS, Side-by Side Shotguns, Over & Under Shotguns, Vintage Shotguns, Collector Sportsman's Shotguns, Hunting with Shotguns, and Upland Hunting
They are the authority on vintage double guns. Hope this helps in your quest. Nice old gun worth investigating!
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I can recommend Classic Gunstocks LLC in Oswego, NY
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They do outstanding work.

The Purdey in question can certainly be brought back to life. The issues mentioned are not roadblocks by any stretch. It's just that you need some one that understands that the gun needs proper gunsmithing and is not a parts exchange item.

The bbls can be damascus re-finished after the dents are removed and any clean up polishing done inside.
Make sure the wall thickness is checked all the way along the barrels.
Many of these older guns have been honed out over their life time and they can be very thin in spots.
While there is no minimum wall thickness when it comes to the Proof House standards,,most shooters want the minimum wall thickness out at the forend area to be at least .014".
That's awfully thin,,I would pass on one that thin, but many will accept bbls that thin out at the end of the forend and shoot away.

Also check the orig Proof marks for chamber length. Then check the actual chamber length in the bbls to see if they have been altered/lengthened.
In an English gun, if they have been altered,, the gun is 'Out of Proof',,and that is a BIG deal with a Brit shotgun. A big value drop.
Honing out the bores is another one,,if the bores are honed out over a certain number of .ooo" more than what they left the proof house with,,again the gun is Out of Proof. Instantly the hands of rejection go up and if you are going to sell the gun, it has gun leprocy. No one wants to touch it.

The hammers would be repaired by welding, reshaping, re-engraving if needed and then rehardening (casehardening).
If the entire action and parts were to brought back to 'new' look, the colors would be left as that. If the newly colored hammers were to match the frame and parts as they now look,,mostly worn,,then that is how the new hammers would be 'taken back' to match.
The same process with any other damaged parts on the gun.
Some parts are orig case colored, some were charcoal blued. A few were polished and left 'in the white' when orig made.
Time and use has worn and taken those colors to a different stage now. You have to decide wether you want a real 'restoration' or a 'make it like new' do-over.

If you send the gun to England for the work,, the gun will be sent to the Proof house (London or Birmingham) for re-proof because of bbl repair.
There it will undergo standard proofing using smokeless proof rounds,,the same proof ammo that every other modern shotgun gets fed.
No whimpy proof rounds for older & damascus guns. They treat them all the same.

The stock work is straight forward. Cracks repaired, reinforcement splices sometimes made for strength, but nothing should show on the outside when done.
This is 'Old Growth' English Walnut and you want to preserve that wood at all costs. No room for mistakes.
There's likely some very fancy gained wood underneath years of oil and grime. They didn't skimp on wood quality.

The first step is removing any old soaked in oil from the wood. No baths of acetone here, no overnite success tricks to it. The laborious process of using Whiting Powder to draw the oil out is the general rule.

Stock finish,,the Purdey used what they called Slacum Oil finish back them. Actually till quite later as well. A mixture of Linseed oil, turpentine and wax.
All heated to mix. The components and amts can differ from user to user as well as the application methods.
More of a black art to apply than a plain how-to instruction sheet.

Wether that is used to restore the finish or a more modern finish is used, the result should be the look of the original Purdey finish.
No spray on look, no lacquer, ect.


Repairs to locks can be as simple as fixing up internal screw heads. Yes they get the one size fits all screw driver blade treatment as well sometimes.
The lock parts are always very highly polished,,or 'Benched' as they say.
Precision fitted, they often just need to be cleaned and repolished for good working order.
A replaced mainspring is not all that uncommon especially on the right lock.
If it isn't quite the same shape as the orig on the left side, a new one can be made from scratch,,there's no ordering a Purdey mainspring from Track of the Wolf.
Making springs can be expensive but if you really want a true restoration (inside and out) that is what would be called for.

Checkering can be recut. Being that old, hand made tools were the thing of the day. So a modern DemBart might not slip right into place and recut the pattern. Their 26 LPI might really be a 27.
You start to cut across lines when using a 26LPI tool. Some modern single line tools have an adj guide on them so you can make the LPI anything you want. The electric checkering machines are all adj guides.
Not many will want to go after a Purdey stock with a whizzing electric checkering machine in hand..but they are very efficient and the pattern is cut straight and then finished up by hand.

I don't take in any restoration work anymore. But here are a few pics of a Purdey I restored a couple yrs back.
This is the type of work the gunsmith(s) will get into in a restoration. So you can see why it can get expensive.
I would expect that anyone would want to do a hands-on inspection before commiting to a price for the work.
There are so many hidden variables involved. Things like bbls being off-face can really run the $$ upward.
Safe to say you are looking at 5K and up for what you want to do.

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This was a 1896 vintage Purdey IIRC.
A hammerless, and a spring assisted opener.
2 Bbl set 16ga.
The action colors were worn but no re-case coloring was called for.
Most of this job was wood work with some small metal repair and restoration.

The stock and forend were badly oil soaked and cracked at many points.
One set of bbls refused to go on the frame w/o so stubborn effort.
The forend iron attachment was heavily rusted, locks needed disassembly and cleaning. Some rust but they cleaned up nicely.

Wood was recheckered after a refinish. Checkering was a combination of 26 and 28lpi in the pattern.
The trigger guard had been buff polished and reblued at some time in the past.
So I re-polished it and then re-cut the engraving. Then reblued to correct era color.
Most of the screws needed fixing, recutting and recoloring to match their place in the frame or part.
Pics not in any sort of order.









You can see how the upper arm of the mainspring is used to power the Assisted Opener feature of the gun


Probably the orig engravers initials there around the trigger guard attachment hole.


Wood de-oiled,,now you can start to see some nice grain. You can also see the damage better.


Forend needed a repair piece added.




Not much left of the checkering here either. Just starting to sharpen up the 'tear-drops'.


Rust and crud everywhere. Inside of forend iron. Spring loaded F/E attachment devise.


Nice piece of wood hidden inside there.
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I'd email companies like Turnbull, William Larkin Moore, Griffin & Howe and attach a bunch of pictures, perhaps you can get a ball park figure.
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Thank you all for your suggestions. A Purdey is not an inexpensive gun, and usually out of reach of the average man, with prices for a new one averaging 2 years wages for the "commoner," back then and today as well. But for what I have in this one, a correct restoration is well worth the expense. I am awaiting an answer from Purdey to see if this is an undertaking they would take on, but am trying to get some different options. I will try to post some more pics when able.
Murphydog, you are correct, I found it in a small town consignment shop as a wall decoration.
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I may be wrong, but without the Purdey letter confirming Their restoration I think You will just have another double shotgun. I keep trying to recall the guy in Louisville CO who spent a couple of decades working at Purdey telling Me that.
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To a younger fellow, formerly of James Purdey and sons, who has opened his own shop in Hertfordshire:
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N.L. (Nate) Heineke in Laramie, WY. Nate does a lot of restoration work on English rifles and high end English shotguns. Last time in the shop he was restoring a pair of Holland Badminton shotguns. He isn't cheap or fast, but his work is absolutely as good as any you will find anywhere.
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If I were going to have a Purdy refurbished I would send it to Kirk Merrington for the metal work, and Dennis Earl Smith for the wood.

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Look at Del Whitman. Specializes in doubles.
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