Why buy a Glock 19X when you can buy a Sig P226 SAO Legion for a few bucks more?

Glocks are great guns. I bought a model 30. Accurate. Soft shooting. Well designed and engineered. I'm not fond of striker fired guns, nor plastic ones, so off it went. I own several Sigs, including a P229 Stainless Elite. It is a brick, and I would not want to carry it on regular basis, but I really like shooting it. We can disagree, and still respect the opinions of others. Shoot what you like and like what you shoot.
 
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alwslate said:
They work, are extremely durable, have excellent customer support, are very high quality and very fairly priced. Is that good enough :rolleyes:
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Cheap, low bid, questionable corporate ethics (trying to force agencies to buy them), inability for agencies to trade them to anyone but Glock and "Glock Leg Syndrome."

Is that good enough?
 
WCCPHD said:
Cheap, low bid, questionable corporate ethics (trying to force agencies to buy them), inability for agencies to trade them to anyone but Glock and "Glock Leg Syndrome."

Is that good enough?
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I actually personally know someone with Glock Leg. Don't know anyone with Smith Leg or Sig Leg either. Just sayin'...:D
 
I've owned a Sig 230, 232, 239, several 220's, 229's, 228's 2022's, and most in various configerations (SAO, Legion, compact, etc) over the years, but prefer Glocks. But it's a bit like Ford, Chevy, Toyota, etc. I like my truck, but find it a waste of time trying to convince the owner of another brand why mine is superior.
 
diyj98 said:
I've owned a Sig 230, 232, 239, several 220's, 229's, 228's 2022's, and most in various configerations (SAO, Legion, compact, etc) over the years, but prefer Glocks. But it's a bit like Ford, Chevy, Toyota, etc. I like my truck, but find it a waste of time trying to convince the owner of another brand why mine is superior.
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I am not a huge fan of Sig P320 pistols except the X5 legion which is a favorite. The Sig P226 SAO is fabulous and ended up buying 4 of them. I also own a Glock 30 and that is a favorite as I did lots of mods to it.

The only other Glock I like is the Glock 19x but seeing two reviews one by the firearms guy on youtube, after he was shooting it you could see the pin above trigger walking out...not good! Then in another video the user was complaining that rear sight kept drifting left after 400 rounds again not good.

also read many accounts even as late as 2020 the marksman barrel evidently is so tight, it only works with factory ammo and in some cases it would not feed factory HST bullets. I like the match barrel but I think for a carry gun it should not be there.

The drifting sight, pin walking out, tight chambers, I think I will pass on that gun
 
rosewood said:
I actually personally know someone with Glock Leg. Don't know anyone with Smith Leg or Sig Leg either. Just sayin'...:D
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Me too. I was there. Would have happened regardless of the pistol because of the trigger reset training being enforced. Take your finger out of the trigger guard before you holster. Can’t name a striker fired pistol that wouldn’t have caused the same injury in the same scenario. More Glocks in circulation, more Glocks go bang negligently. . .
 
alwslate said:
They work, are extremely durable, have excellent customer support, are very high quality and very fairly priced. Is that good enough :rolleyes:
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There are others. Glock isn't the only reliable pistol on the planet. Notice that Glock wasn't the choice of the Army to replace the M9, although many units purchase them. Their draw is they are inexpensive to buy and Glock gives agencies good trade in value.

My honest opinion is S&W, Sig, Taurus and Walther are cutting into Glock sales.

Glock, with sales of more than $500 million globally in 2017, has a nearly 65% market share of the handguns in the U.S., based on analyst estimates.
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It's now 2021 and you have your choice of some pretty good strikers including a Glock.
 
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Muss Muggins said:
That statement demonstrates a misunderstanding of government purchasing procedure. I understand you have a Navy emblem on your profile . . .
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Yes sir, Navy veteran. 68-71. Proud to have served. Why are you bringing my military service into this discussion?

Back when I was standing watch we had 1911's.

I understand that Glock had an entry into the competition but wasn't chosen.

Here's a good breakdown on what happened. I wasn't there.

Shootout: Why the Army Picked Sig Sauer over Glock
 
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Have owned a number of Glocks in 9mm, .40 and .45 ACP. Fine pistols one and all. Not the most accurate pistols I've ever owned. Combat accurate just less than precise. Never had one fail ever no matter what ammo was being used.

Have owned several Sigs in 9mm, .40 and .45 ACP. Without exception, all have been superlative in every respect. Faultless in function, uniformly well made and finished, and ... accurate not just in combat terms but actually precise. The DA trigger pull is superior to any other pistol I've tried. The SA trigger pull is so good that it just about rivals my S&W revolvers for being like a "glass rod breaking." There is no creep. The break is crisp and repeatable. I currently own a fine Sig 226 Legion in, of course, 9mm caliber. It has like all its predecessors been routinely faultless regardless of the ammunition used. It fires brass, aluminum or steel cased ammo without interchangeably without any problems at all. If I should ever need to CC a pistol, I'll likely look to see what Sig has to offer. Sincerely. bruce.
 
brucev said:
Have owned a number of Glocks in 9mm, .40 and .45 ACP. Fine pistols one and all. Not the most accurate pistols I've ever owned. Combat accurate just less than precise. Never had one fail ever no matter what ammo was being used.

Have owned several Sigs in 9mm, .40 and .45 ACP. Without exception, all have been superlative in every respect. Faultless in function, uniformly well made and finished, and ... accurate not just in combat terms but actually precise. The DA trigger pull is superior to any other pistol I've tried. The SA trigger pull is so good that it just about rivals my S&W revolvers for being like a "glass rod breaking." There is no creep. The break is crisp and repeatable. I currently own a fine Sig 226 Legion in, of course, 9mm caliber. It has like all its predecessors been routinely faultless regardless of the ammunition used. It fires brass, aluminum or steel cased ammo without interchangeably without any problems at all. If I should ever need to CC a pistol, I'll likely look to see what Sig has to offer. Sincerely. bruce.
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I've never found anything wrong with a Sig except they keep discontinuing the good P 2xx models. That has prompted me to keep a sharp eye out for those. I buy them where ever I can. Just scored a p-239 9mm for 650 with 3 mags. Happy day.
 
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LostintheOzone said:
Yes sir, Navy veteran. 68-71. Proud to have served.

Back when I was standing watch we had 1911's.

I understand that Glock had an entry into the competition but wasn't chosen.

Here's a good breakdown on what happened. I wasn't there.

Shootout: Why the Army Picked Sig Sauer over Glock
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Here's the important part from your link:

Perhaps most importantly, price is always a factor when it comes to government contract, and Sig undercut Glock’s bid by a wide margin. Sig’s bid came in at just about $169.5 million, a whopping $103 million less than Glock’s. The savings clearly made a difference: The decision notes that this substantially lower bid offered “overall the best value to the government.” In fact, The Army’s final selection report, quoted in the GAO’s decision, called price “a significant discriminator” in the two firms’ proposals.
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If you've got something else, I'll be happy to shoot that down as well . . .
 
Muss Muggins said:
Here's the important part from your link:



If you've got something else, I'll be happy to shoot that down as well . . .
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Well, I have a few things for you to shoot down. ;)

Just about everything anyone buys is based on price, even the military. I was privy to some 20 million dollar contracts let by a gov't agency for road and bridge construction. I had project management responsibility. The low bidder didn't always perform according to the contract. In that case the contract was re-negotiated or the work was given to the next low bidder who was generally happy to complete the work for a negotiated cost. That happened a lot with contracts for firearms production in WW2 that had production deadlines and quality control regulated by gov't inspectors.

So far as I know Sig hasn't defaulted on their contract. If you have any information to the contrary about any suits filled against Sig for violation of contract I would be thrilled to read it.

Don't waste your time amigo because they're aren't any. Sig delivered what they said they would.

Granted there is a lawsuit resulting in an AD but that has nothing to do with compliance to specifications required by the military contract for a pistol. Glockleg (striker) is a thing.
 
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Well, I cant believe I pulled the trigger but just just saw online a Glock 19x for $568 to my door so jumped on it. I hope I do not regret this but also went to overwatch precision and for $178 bought the complete TAC trigger and connector and safety plunger.

Read a lot of issues with this gun from won't feed ammo, sights drifting after so many rounds, to poor finish quality, etc..
 
LostintheOzone said:
Granted there is a lawsuit resulting in an AD but that has nothing to do with compliance to specifications required by the military contract for a pistol. Glockleg (striker) is a thing.
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We agree that Sig won the contract on price alone, and has upheld it. As for your quoted contention, Sig Leg is also a thing . . .

Sig Sauer Faces $10 Million Lawsuit over P320 Pistol After Alleged Accidental Discharge Wounds Federal Agent | Military.com

Misfire by Sig Sauer gun injures special forces soldier in Canada

SEPTA officer’s handgun spontaneously fired in Philly’s Suburban Station

N.H. Man Sues SIG Sauer After Gun Allegedly Fires Without Trigger Pull | New Hampshire Public Radio

Tampa officer sues Sig Sauer, alleging gun defect caused injury

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