Winchester model 64 219 Zipper

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This past April in Tulsa I happened upon a reasonably priced Winchester model 64 in 219 Zipper. Other than the receiver having turned brown and a couple of minor stock dings it is a very nice example that has not been messed with.

As I intended to shoot this rifle making cases was first on the to do list.
I used 30-30 cases as I had some. The process that finally worked was as follows:

1. Anneal the neck and shoulder area of the case.
2. Run the case through a 32-40 full length die. This removes the shoulder and adds taper to the body.
3. Run the case through a 25-35 full length die.
4. Run the case through a 219 Zipper full length die.
5. Trim to length.

I had one WW 219 Zipper case which held 29.9 grains of IMR 4198 when completely full. Formed and trimmed Remington cases held 29.8 grains and Federal cases held 28.3 grains

I tried 40, 45, 46, 50 and 55 grain bullets with IMR 4198, 3031, and 4064 powder. Best results were obtained with 40, 45 and 46 grain bullets. The 50 and 55 grain bullets that I had were Hornady V-Max and the rifle would not stabilize these as they went through the target side ways.

The best loads were 40, 45 and 46 grain bullets with 20 grains of IMR 4198. Accuracy at 50 yards was 1.25" and 3" at 100 yards.

This rifle is fun to shoot as it has no recoil and is accurate enough for my purposes.
 

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I've had five .219 Zipper rifles; a couple of High Walls, a Remington Hepburn, a Remington Rolling Block, and a Krag. This has been the only cartridge I've ever had to anneal the cases for; all that case forming really works the brass. I also used .30-30 brass but it was once-fired, perhaps new would be better. New .25-35 brass ( I don't know if that's even available nowadays) worked very well.

I got rid of all this stuff years ago but I think standard twist rate for the .219 may be 1 in 16". If so, light bullets will probably be best as you apparently found out. However, a flatnose, semi-spitzer, or round nose of 55 grains or so will likely shoot well even in the slow twist barrel. Winchester used to load a 56 grain bullet for the .219.

You may have already read Ken Waters comprehensive .219 Zipper "Pet Load" article. It's certainly dated, but no more so than the cartridge and the material and load data remains applicable.

For field purposes, the .219 gives up little to the .222 or .223. Good luck-
 
Congratulations on your find! I think the Winchester model 64 is one of the most graceful rifles ever produced. Also, the .219 Zipper is the rarest chambering and is highly sought after.

I'm fortunate to have found an almost perfect condition 64, but in the more common 30-30 caliber. I do treasure it, because although it is now 86 years old, it looks absolutely brand new.

The peep sights were available from the factory on the guns of that era, and I believe the one shown mounted here is original to the gun.

Here's a picture -

John

(click for larger image)
 
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I never owned a m64. I wanted one pretty bad but would never pay the price. Was at auction in Ohio that had very clean m64, say 85% gun. It went for $2500 and this was 15 yrs ago. This action the guns are sold first by owner. Then he has trainees that sell the smalls. At bitter end of action trainee puts box on doc. Says he can’t read faded print. He rips open box and it’s full case of Win 219 Zipper unprimed brass in boxes of 20. I got it and ended up selling it. Then had to make some a few years later. I annealed 30/30s at neck and ran them straight into RCBS sizing die. Worked fine but if you didn’t anneal shoulders would corrugate. It doesn’t fire form out either. I doubt if good for accuracy but shot them in a Win high wall. I used Winchester brass it’s best for reforming. I wouldn’t doubt that you might have to do a couple reduction steps with Rem brass.
 
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