I have been searching high and low for an SW 2213 or 2214, but to no avail at a reasonable price. The little Umarex Walthers are still available on GB so I am thinking about getting one. I thought I saw a post here in the last couple of months about these but the search function didn’t turn it up.

Does anyone have one of these – how are they and what do you think? Understand they are made out of pot metal, but they look to be pretty well finished. And I hope/assume that they use a steel insert in the breach area on the slide? I have one of the (huge - like a Hi Point) PPQ .22’s and it seems pretty well-made and has been 100% reliable … but no external hammer and a flimsy-ish polymer frame. TIA!!

I’ve got two of them and think they’re great. Double action trigger is heavy but the single action is quite good. They don’t like lower power ammo but work great with CCI Mini-Mags or Stingers. They come pre threaded for a suppressor if that’s important.

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Mine also reliable with Mini Mags and other high velocity ammo.
Heavy Double Action Trigger, me too.
Here’s mine with a 63 and Beretta 70s.

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I've owned one since 2015 and I really like it. It's a fun little .22LR Pistol, my only complaint is the heavy DA Trigger, but being a DA/SA pistol, that can easily be overcome by simply cocking the hammer back manually.



Oh, and it's a long story so you'll have to forgive me for giving you the short version... They're not made of pot metal, according to Walther Germany, they're made out of some proprietary mystery metal that they won't reveal the exact composition of because it's a trade secret, but allegedly it's; "much stronger than ZAMAK" and the slide has embedded steel inserts for additional strength.
They've been on the market for nearly a decade now too, yet I've never heard one report of one breaking, despite the fact that it's a .22 Pistol that prefers High Velocity ammo, so I'd say it's pretty tough.

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Umarex owns Walther,,they bought Walther in the early 1990's.

The 'Walther' parts list for the Umarex pistol shows the frame to be made of Zamac 430.
4 is the % of aluminum
3 is the % of zinc in the Zamac alloy

The '430' is a European designation for the particular Zamac alloy of which there are several. Each has certain properties that make them useful for different things.
In the USA Zamac is classed as #1 thru #4
I don't know where the '430' would fall in the 1 thru 4 designations.
Likely it could be found with some searching.

Propietary alloys of Zamak are also possible. A very slight change in % of one of the metals alloy ingregients would be probably be enough to market it as a 'Special Proprietary Metal' and they wouldn't have to say it was Zamak.
Marketing...

Slides are aluminum alloy I believe.

Wow, Great info Gents, Thanks! I had a 2213 over 25 years ago and foolishly sold it. Looks like I won’t be getting one anytime soon and your great reports on this little Walther has me sold.

I like it. Accurate and fun to shoot. Yeah, the double action is heavy, but so is the double action on the .380 and .32 versions. It's a PPK, so . . . .

But for a fun gun you're unlikely to be using double action for the first shot seriously anyway, and in the unlikely event it's being used as a pocket gun for self protection it's gonna be at spittin' distance and I think the heavy pull when the adrenaline is dumping is the least of your worries.

For grins I backed off 25 yards the first time I took it out and was hitting 8" plates with fair regularity. With my eyes and those little sights and a less-than-target-grade-trigger I was tickled pink with it. It does seem to favor full power ammo, but the old Remington counter rounds I fed it worked just fine. Yeah, you can get something cheaper, and uglier, but . . . it won't be a PPK

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I had one from Walther in Arkansas. It was accurate, but the sights were plastic and you got a small bag of replacements of different heights to be able to zero the gun. The double action trigger pull exceeded 15 lbs, and was unusable in double action the single action was about 5 lbs and tolerable. It would not function with ammo less than 1200 FPS.

It just didn't fit my needs so it went down the road. I replaced it with an older Beretta 948 that fed and shot any 22 L ammo, and was more accurate and had a great trigger.

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I picked this one up several years ago. With the proper modifications is just awesome fun. It will indeed run anything.


PPK/S are still OK.

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Third vote here for the Beretta 948. Have a couple from 1953. Tried and true.

I picked one up a few years ago... it was inexpensive, and I am a 22 junky... soooo... it has functioned wonderfully with the hotter ammo like others have mentioned... double action is not fun, but single action is fine.. it is not a target pistol, but fairly accurate and can fulfill one of your James Bond 007 fantasies.. you are on your own with the rest of them.

That's fascinating, can I get a link to this parts list? I would like to see it. The only parts list I ever read was an outdated one on Walther USA's website which listed it as "zinc diecast" but when I asked for further clarification from Walther Germany after seeing a number of details on Walther USA's website were incorrect, they told me that it was a property alloy which was "much stronger than ZAMAK" yet wouldn't provide any further details on it's metallurgical composition because it was a trade secret.

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Some folks around here know that I have a thing for Walther's PP series pistols. I currently have 5. Yes, the Umarex .22 is among them.
I've been very happy with it. Very dependable and plinker accurate. Again, heavy DA trigger. Again it likes high velocity ammo. Mine absolutely loves cheap old Remington Thunderbolts.

I have the lighter colored alloy PPK/S. It makes most range trips since I bought it. Only problem was that extra magazines were unavailable for a while, but that is currently fixed. No problems and it scratched my PPK itch.

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Looks like I really missed the boat by not getting one of these years ago! I have two of the S&W Walthers - a PPK and PPK/S - understand they are apples and oranges with the Umarex Walthers. Kinda wanted to get one of the stainless-looking versions but they aren’t reasonably available on GB. Thanks again for the continued great input. Sounds like they may only come with one magazine?

I want a nickel model, but they are not to be found. Black ones are everywhere.

It's on a pdf Walther parts list which lists the Umarex pistols (firearms, not their airguns).
I've been trying for the last hour to find it again with no luck..
I've found other Walther/Umarex parts
& schematics in pdf files,,but not that particular one.
One file showed an alert to a computer virus,,so much for that!


It whole thing w/reference to that parts list and Zamac alloy designation was mentioned on one of the Walther forums as well some time ago.

Maybe W deleted the info in the parts list it to further go with the mystery proprietary metal marketing message?

Sorry for the confusion created..

Inexpensive to purchase, works like a champ, and my Sparrow adds to the fun factor.

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The parts list you read is probably a variation of the one that I read years ago. Walther USA had .pdf parts lists on their sight, but they were filled with misinformation such as listing the black oxide finish as a "blue" finish, plus they got the weight wrong, (too heavy) the trigger pull weights wrong, (too light) and the dimensions were wrong, (OAL too long) presumably because they were largely copy/pasted from the specs of centerfire versions. So I contacted Walther Germany about it years ago in 2017, that's when they told me that it wasn't made of ZAMAK, but their own proprietary alloy that was much stronger.

As for the Walther Forums, well... In my experience they're kind of biased against newer production Walthers, with the overwhelming majority of users sharing the sentiment that they were junk, and thusly were happy to accept any information which backed up their opinions. Seriously, I wrote a thread there after I had spoken with Walther Germany to inform everyone of what I had been told, but it didn't fit their narrative and obviously saying that the guns were made of "pot metal" made it far easier to push that narrative, so they dismissed the words of the company itself outright and just kept right on repeating what they knew to be misinformation.
Now some folks have told me that the Forums are better since I left, but last time I checked, (about a year ago) the PPK/S .22LR (2013 to Present) Subforum was still awash with perpetuated misinformation and declarations of abysmal quality, so at the very least, the overwhelming majority still dislikes the PPK/S .22, and they're still spreading misinformation about it.

Now granted, it could all just be marketing... Maybe it is made of some proprietary variation of ZAMAK with some slightly different percentages of this or that, and maybe it's factually no better than ZAMAK, but ZAMAK has a bad rap thanks to cheapo guns like Jimenez Arms and Hi-Point who make big, clunky 9mm Pistols out of the stuff. Meanwhile, Henry Repeating Arms has made the receivers on their .22 Rifles out of the stuff forever, they just plate it with Brass. So it works fine for .22LR regardless.
Personally though, I'm willing to take Walther's word for it that the PPK/S .22 is made of a proprietary alloy of superior strength. What's more, I suspect it's more of an Aluminum Alloy than a Zinc Alloy because Zinc tends to be substantially heavier than Aluminum, closer to Steel in weight, yet the PPK/S .22 weighs a few ounces less than my Stainless Steel PPK/S in .380 ACP, despite the fact that the grip frame isn't skeletonized like my .380 PPK/S, but a big slab of metal with a magazine well. In addition, if you compare the weight of ZAMAK mouse guns like the Phonenix Arms HP22 (20oz) to the subcompact PPK/S .22, (19oz) you'll find that they're strangely close in weight, with the PPK/S coming in an ounce less, which is odd considering the substantial difference in size. If they were the same material, then the PPK/S .22 would surely weight more than the smaller HP22, not less. So I believe it to be an Aluminum Alloy, not Zinc.
However, I'm not a metallurgist, so perhaps it is a Zinc Alloy with an otherwise high percentage of Aluminum which may account for the weight differential.

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I’ve never seen the “Zamak 430” reference in an Umarex or Walther parts list and it would not be a good choice. Regardless it isn’t 4% aluminum and 3% (or 30% aluminum).

The specs for Zamak 430 can be found here:

https://www.cinkarna.si/en/files/def....zamak_430.pdf

The major difference between it and Zamak 3, 4, 5 or 7 all of those limit copper to between 1.25 % and .3%.

Zamak 2 has a similar amount of copper which makes it much stronger, but it also becomes brittle over time and shrinks. It’s not normally a good choice for firearms where dimensional stability is important.

Zamak 3 and 5 both have good dimensional stability and would be better choices.

The thing that separates Zamak alloys from pot metal is tight quality control and high purity of the alloying metals (zinc, copper and magnesium) as it’s the impurities in pot metal that causes the significant warping and shrinking.

I own a PPK/S .22 LR as well as a Walther PP in 22LR (the British contract L66A1 version), and a Beretta 71 for comparison purposes.

If you look at the trigger connector arm on the PPK/S .22LR and the PP in .22 LR you’ll note the finish isn’t quite as good, although they are constructed the same way.

You’ll also note the barrel on the PPK/S .22LR is a bit different, installed in a shroud that is pressed into the frame, while the PP has the barrel pressed directly into the frame.









In all other respects it’s very much a PP series pistol.





A second major difference is a much improved magazine design with a better feed angle and more stagger in the single co,u,n magazine that helps prevent rim lock.



Umarex Walther also made up for the lighter frame material by filling in the area around the magazine and under the grips. It gives it a weight very close to the .380 ACP PPK/S.




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I’ve owned mine since 2014 and it’s proven to be just as accurate as my PP in .22LR and it’s proven to be much more reliable. I really enjoy shooting it, although the DA trigger is a bit heavier than the already heavy trigger on the other PP series pistols.

It’s also not very particular on ammunition, provided it’s high velocity ammunition. It’s one of the few semi autos I have that will feed Remington Thunderbolts.