"Mouse Guns" Surplus Pistols

This is a very interesting thread. Thanks to all of you who posted. I have learned a lot, and actually gained some respect for a breed of gun I guess I did not consider worthy my attention. You guys have me thinking that my safe needs one of these living in it.
 
I have one M70 in not as good of condition as your that I bought for the simple reason that I had a stash of 32 ACP ammo. Then I found a good deal on magazines for the CZ 70 and bought 4. Only to find out they are not interchangeable. So naturally I began the hunt for a CZ 70. The M70 has the best sight I've ever found on a 32 ACP pistol, and I've had many.

The best load I've found so far is 2.0 gns Bullseye under a Barrys plated bullet, 0.970 OAL. It hits about 1" left of POA at 25' but I can consistently empty a magazine in a 2" circle at that range. Plenty good enough for a pocket pistol in my opinion and it drops empties in a neat little pile.
 
I recently picked up a 1990s NAA Guardian in .32ACP. Always wanted one as they're tiny and pretty indestructible. Both characteristics are true, but it's also not fun to shoot and minute-of-torso at no more than 5-7 yards. Trigger is long and firm. After two mags to confirm function I had no desire to keep shooting it.

So...now that I'm stocking the caliber, would like to find a larger, more accurate pistol in .32ACP. One of those HK multi-caliber guns would be nice, but probably more $$$ than I want to shell out.
 
JH1951 said:
The .32 ACP is in my opinion not a mouse gun. That caliber was a dominant one for many years in Europe. I sure would not want to be standing in front of one when discharged. That said, I too like them. I have a few in the safe and in the past carried a Colt 1908. I'm glad you "found" them and am sure you will enjoy all that you shoot and own.
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I can guarantee nobody ever SHOT with a .32 jumped up and laughed it off! It's only the American obsession with everything being "supersized" that causes such disdain for smaller calibers. A .32 ACP FMJ will absolutely, 100% cancel a person's ticket if the shooter's aim is true.

To my awareness, NO handgun round causes death by hits in non-vital areas which means a hit to a vital spot with a .32 auto is IDENTICAL to a hit with a 9mm or .38 Special....you drill a hole through a vital structure, the person goes down. You drill a hole through a large fat pad, the person keeps on coming.

Very few have ever seen directly, first-hand SEEN anyone shot by ANY caliber, yet the fun forums swell with those who pontificate about the puny performance of certain calibers. They have no idea what they're talking about, and could possibly be putting people at risk because their misguided assertions can lead people to think they can challenge a "mouse gun" because it CAN'T kill them, and probably won't even hurt!
 
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I was pretty heavy into surplus firearms in the late 80’s and early 90’s. Shotgun news was the place to find them and had a local sporting goods store that was a source of many great surplus rifles at very low prices. There didn’t seem to be much interest back then by the collectors. I also had a friend that brokered high end arms and he’d come up with some pristine mil guns pretty often.

A few years ago the smell of money overcame me and I sold the collection. I owned them and enjoyed them and was good to move on. But if I’d known what those guns would be worth today, I’d kept them a little longer.

Right now the only mil/ police guns I have are a beautiful Luger with matching mags and excellent case, all matching numbers, that I’ve had for 28 years. Also have a Beretta 84/380 that’s Israeli police surplus. Great gun that I carry from time to time and really enjoy shooting it.
 
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Bill Lear said:
I can guarantee nobody ever SHOT with a .32 jumped up and laughed it off! It's only the American obsession with everything being "supersized" that causes such disdain for smaller calibers. A .32 ACP FMJ will absolutely, 100% cancel a person's ticket if the shooter's aim is true.

To my awareness, NO handgun round causes death by hits in non-vital areas which means a hit to a vital spot with a .32 auto is IDENTICAL to a hit with a 9mm or .38 Special....you drill a hole through a vital structure, the person goes down. You drill a hole through a large fat pad, the person keeps on coming.

Very few have ever seen directly, first-hand SEEN anyone shot by ANY caliber, yet the fun forums swell with those who pontificate about the puny performance of certain calibers. They have no idea what they're talking about, and could possibly be putting people at risk because their misguided assertions can lead people to think they can challenge a "mouse gun" because it CAN'T kill them, and probably won't even hurt!
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Double ought buckshot, fired through the back window of a 1972 Pontiac Grand Prix, at about 25 feet, can hit a man in the forehead, travel between the skin and the skull and come to rest
at the back of his head and he can still be conscious and able to talk.
 
Muley Gil said:
Double ought buckshot, fired through the back window of a 1972 Pontiac Grand Prix, at about 25 feet, can hit a man in the forehead, travel between the skin and the skull and come to rest
at the back of his head and he can still be conscious and able to talk.
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I would like to hear this story in it’s entirety.
 
I've told this story here before, but in November of 1974 I was in the Frankfurt am Main Haupbahnhof. I don't why, but the Bahnpolizei were chasing some Turkish guy down the platform yelling for him to "Halt!" One of them ran out of patience and carried out his promise, " ...oder ich schieße!" He was apparently a pretty good shot. One round of .32 ACP from his M1922 at about 15 meters did the trick. I don't know the rest of the story. My train boarded before all the commotion was over and I missed seeing anything in the news.

One thing I remembered was that if a German cop said he was going to shoot if you didn't comply, rounds were on the way.
 
I bought a CZ 70 in 2001 for $90 OTD. Never really warmed up to it. I sold it for $175 in 2018 after buying an LCP II. The Ruger just felt better in my hand and it carried much better. I also thought the 380 was a better round.
 
Used to have a .25 Colt 1908… but sold it because I really didn’t like it. Was small, but my .25 had to be a Raven… because I remember my father putting one in his boot when we used to go to the city. After I got rid of the Colt, found a nice Raven that I cleaned up and rebuilt.

I do have a non-import marked Manurhin PP in .32. It was definitely used, so I cleaned it up and smooth out the sharp edges. Going to send it to Tornado Tech when I get other projects done (1911 back from the gunsmith, and refinish the Ruger MK3 upper that I’m having cut to 2”/threaded). I have a Dead Air Odessa 9, which would suppress that .32 really well. Once threaded, likely going to send it to CCR to plate the gun. Figured nickel sights would work well behind a black suppressor.
 
Got on a 32 kick a couple of years ago. Let's see; Beretta 81, Mauser HSc, Sauer 38H, FEG AP63 (PP clone), Gabilondo Bufalo (one f) ( sort of a Browning 1910 clone), Colt 1903. Picked up a couple of Beretta 25s along the way, 418 (the original Bond gun) and a 21A. And to round out the little gun fad I grabbed a Walther PP Super in 9x18 Ultra a while back.
 
I bought one of the Italian surplus Beretta 81s that were for sale 2-3 years ago. I love shooting it - very little recoil. There are .32 loads that are just as effective as .380.
 
I was on the .32acp wagon in the 60's through the 80's. Hey they were cheap!
Even the flood of Walther PP pistols in the 90's made me come back to .32 world. I can't believe how many of those I bought.
Where did I let them all escape to?

Fn 1922, Hsc, JP Sauers 38h, and what seemed like an unending line of WW1 and betw the wars line of German & other Euro 32 pistols.
Add the Spanish Ruby WW1 pistols which no one wanted at the time, they were literally $10 and under most of the time and not all of them were junk.
Colt, Savage, Remington. even a Warner

My first Colt 1903 was 29.95. I nearly choked when I had to pay $49.95 for one at the same shop a few yrs later.
Why that was nearly the same price as a Colt 1911!

Fun to think back,,but we have to remember we didn't make much $ either,

Only have a couple .32acps now. They get shot every once in a while.
Still have a stash of some FN mfg FMJ flat nose ammo in 25rd plastic boxes I bought from AIM yrs back when the Walthers were around. Works well in most anything.
But a 1914 Mauser doesn't like it very much.
 
I picked up the LCP2 at a gun-show but eventually got rid of it b/c it never ran as reliably as the old model. Ruger fixed it but I’d lost faith & sold it.
 
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