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Black/grey American flag meaning?
Happy Columbus Day patriots I have a quick question. I just picked up a case from my local turners and want to place an American flag in the middle in black and grey as seen below in the photo. Out of respect I would first like to know as a civilian is this ok to display on my case.
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I don't see any problem; the black and grey flag is a subdued version.
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I thought it meant the colors had run out on the printer. 
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Yep, subdued for urban camo
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What is the problem displaying the flag with proper colors?
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I don't see any problem; the black and grey flag is a subdued version.
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Please don't tell me you're serious about it being a "subdued" version. You're joking right.. ?? 
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Please don't tell me you're serious about it being a "subdued" version. You're joking right.. ?? |
That's what it's called . . .
(Edit: My Jeep spare tire cover proudly displays a subdued American flag . . . )
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That's what it's called . . .
(Edit: My Jeep spare tire cover proudly displays a subdued American flag . . . )
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Is there a reason for the "subdued" flag. ?? I fella down the street from us hoists the "subdued" version in his yard every day; and I've been curious about the colors.
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It is an homage to the folks who wore a flag on their field uniform, which would be a subdued color version.
Hoisting it in the yard seems excessive.
In theater back in the day we wore red white and blue on the uniform on base and subdued on patrols.
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Is there a reason for the "subdued" flag. ?? I fella down the street from us hoists the "subdued" version in his yard every day; and I've been curious about the colors.
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It's to avoid having a bright red, white, blue and usually gold (for the border) patch stand out on SWAT garb, which is usually black, grey or dark green. Generally the department shoulder patches are also made in subdued versions for these uniforms . . .
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'Subdued' in this case means that the colors are muted to decrease visibility in a tactical environment, not that the flag is 'defeated'.
It sounded like there may be some confusion...
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Just like military unit patches, the subdued version goes on your combat uniform (BDUs when I was in) and the color version goes on your dress uniform.
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Thank you gentlemen and I have plenty of old glory’s flying around my home and garage and on my cars I just wanted this one in black and grey to match my grey case and my black 40 S&W. Appreciate all the replies ����
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The official word is that this is not a "flag," merely a representation of a flag so you can do what you want. Many years ago I had a lengthy conversation with the official flag people about this sort of thing.
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The official word is that this is not a "flag," merely a representation of a flag so you can do what you want. Many years ago I had a lengthy conversation with the official flag people about this sort of thing.
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Correct, similar to the “flag” with a blue stripe or other variations. Not official flags.
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Correct, similar to the “flag” with a blue stripe or other variations. Not official flags.
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I don't get all twisted up about it, but I'm not a fan of variations of Old Glory with regard to flags (patches are a different matter). I think the blue line, red line, green line, pink line, rainbow, are all unnecessary and, frankly, even divisive. When it comes to waving the flag I'm good with standing with fellow citizens and saluting ol' Red, White, and Blue.
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Out of respect I would first like to know as a civilian is this ok to display on my case.
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Sure. It's just one of many versions and wouldn't disrespect the flag.
Now, if you fly an all-black Stars & Stripes outside your house you signal "No Surrender!" I think they go good with the Gadsden flag...
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Did anyone else notice the flag on the AR is on the wrong side in the OP's post? It looks like the flag stickers come in a mirror image pair. The flag should look like it is always moving forward so the one on the gun is on the wrong side.
Ugh..
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I fly the "Betsey Ross" flag for a lot of different reasons, one of which is the 50 star flag was not available in the D.C. area immediately after 9/11. I was TDY that day from my job at ground zero. The only flag that was left at the store was the "Ross" flag. It reminds me of my obligation to my friends, my God, and my country.
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Did anyone else notice the flag on the AR is on the wrong side in the OP's post? It looks like the flag stickers come in a mirror image pair. The flag should look like it is always moving forward so the one on the gun is on the wrong side.
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Only for the DOD. According to the flag code, the canton is always in the upper left corner when the flag is displayed against a surface. However, former soldiers seem to believe that the Army is right about everything. Sailors know better.
The army justifies wearing the flag backwards because, according to them, the patch is not a flag, it is just a representation of the flag.
When I was a Scouter I had this conversation with every veteran of recent vintage. This prompted me to have a conversation with the office in the army responsible for the flag design.
BTW, if you ever carried a full size flag on a flag staff, you'd know that the direction that the flag points is dependent on the wind.
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Only for the DOD. According to the flag code, the canton is always in the upper left corner when the flag is displayed against a surface. However, former soldiers seem to believe that the Army is right about everything. Sailors know better.
The army justifies wearing the flag backwards because, according to them, the patch is not a flag, it is just a representation of the flag.
When I was a Scouter I had this conversation with every veteran of recent vintage. This prompted me to have a conversation with the office in the army responsible for the flag design.
BTW, if you ever carried a full size flag on a flag staff, you'd know that the direction that the flag points is dependent on the wind.
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So what do you do with the other flag sticker with the canton on the upper right corner? And isn't the Navy part of the DoD?
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Sorry, but I see a "subdued" American Flag as disrespectful and unwarranted. If one wants to remain anonymous then don't sew one on in the first place. If you display or wear the flag - then wear THE real flag proudly with no excuses.
Just my personal opinion of course.
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I fly all iterations of old glory, including my favorite, the Bennington flag.
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I will only fly the flag in it's original colors. Although I'm a retired LEO I've never used nor will I use the blue line flag. I'm ok with the subdued flag patch for tactical purposes for our military.
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So what do you do with the other flag sticker with the canton on the upper right corner?
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Give it to a soldier.
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Sailors know that the right way and the Navy way aren't always the same.
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Give it to a soldier.
Sailors know that the right way and the Navy was aren't always the same.
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slow down the typing and more people will understand you
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