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Is the 5.7x28 a viable round?
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Since there are now at least four reputable gun companies manufacturing pistols for the 5.7x28, I am toying with the idea of picking one up.
However, I am of the old school philosophy that a defensive round has to be heavy and punch a nice hole. I kind of see the 5.7x28 as a souped up hyper-velocity 22. Has the 5.7x28 developed any type of record as a personal defense round?
As always, thanks in advance for your assistance!
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IIRC, it killed a bunch of people quite effectively at Ft Hood.
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IIRC, it killed a bunch of people quite effectively at Ft Hood.
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Steve, I was not aware that round was used in the Ft Hood shootings.
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Basically, a little faster than 22 Hornet (by 300 fps in comparable handgun barrels. Not quite 221 Fireball.
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Originally developed by NATO for personal defense weapons, not pistols per se, for the sole purpose of creating a small, lightweight cartridge capable of effectively defeating body armor.
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To my mind it’s viable as range cartridge or intermediate varmint round, when chambered in a rifle. I think the .22TCM is faster at 2000 fps from a 5” barrel; it’s what the 22 Remington Jet wanted to be. Don’t think there’d come a time where I’d consider one for self defense or duty purposes. If US law enforcement adopts it, I may take a second look. That said, it looks like a viable plinker. Lots of cool video on YouTube.
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I think I'll never own one to find out.
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Unless and until ammo is available that will perform up to FN standards, the round will be only a useful novelty or perhaps a boutique SD round. It has little potential for widespread use simply b/c the price of ammo and the few available production pistols will cause most shooters to look elsewhere. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.
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Steve, I was not aware that round was used in the Ft Hood shootings.
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Sadly, yes. There are other reports of LE shootings using this round in the P90. The phrase "dead right there" occurs quite a bit, but that is no surprise with a 10.5" barrel on a P90.
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That kinda makes me question my decision to buy a couple Federal .327 magnum revolvers. Lots of power behind a .32 caliber bullet. Someday they might start making that caliber cartridge again. I've been offered to get schooled on reloading that cartridge but I thought I might have sold both by now. My GP100, 6" in .327 FM is like shooting a .32 on steroids. At least the 5.7 x 28 is still being made. I love the gun, I have the trigger pull just right, scary accurate at 25 yards, etc. It's within 1/4 oz. of my 629-6 with 6" barrel in weight. Imagine shooting a .32 out of a M629 6" revolver; feels like a BB gun. That 5.7 has my interest but I have enough "not so popular" calibers...mainly the .327FM.
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As someone who hasn't shot the round but has considered it for years, (thanks to Stargate SG-1)I don't consider it better or worse than any other pistol round. It has its strengths and weaknesses. Long range trajectory, capacity, and lack of recoil being big pluses; ammunition cost and availability, and the unique problems as a reloadable cartridge spring to mind as minuses. While touted as body armor penetrating, I think that is finicky at best with most civilian readily available rounds and not necessary in an edc. If they could make the rounds break 2k fps in a pistol I would be a bit more interested. I think the comparison a lot of people make about it being a small 5.56 is of note, in that 5.56 was not originally designed for human targets and was marketed as a varmint cartridge. The smaller, lighter, slower round makes it a pistol round in my mind, no matter what platform it's fired from.
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I worked with a fellow that spent time in some hot spots that this round found a use in. While the P90 was light weight, held a lot of ammo, and was deadly at close range, he said it took several hits to ensure a kill, and wasn't great in thick foliage.
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The Secret Service uses it in the P90, or at least they did. I don’t know the current status. But it took a lot of lives at Fort Hood, so it is not a creampuff round in the lethality department. I remember the 5.7 also being used successfully in some foreign embassy shootout, but I don’t remember the details.
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It is an interesting and fun round to shoot. I have a FN Five Seven and a FN PS90, I am very happy to see more guns available in 5.7x28, hopefully we will see more ammo availability
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The main point of interest to me is the high magazine capacity. Otherwise, there is nothing there to entice me to buy one.
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That this tumbling round is effective has been proven on several occasions, see other threads on this forum about it.
IWA gave us yet another inexpensive mass-produced 5.7x28mm gun (Tisas PX-5.7), and more will follow. The ammo situation will change big time in the coming months and years, there will be a lot more options and much lower prices.
I would not have expected it, but after so many years, 5.7x28mm finally managed to step out of the shadows, it's here to stay, and probably all thanks to Ruger.
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I have a Ruger 57 and it is a great range toy, but my local indoor range won't let me shoot it because of the 2500fps, say the backstop is only rated to 2000fps.
Now S&W has come out with the M&P 5.7 at a lower price than I paid for the Ruger
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I have a Ruger 57 and it is a great range toy, but my local indoor range won't let me shoot it because of the 2500fps, say the backstop is only rated to 2000fps.
Now S&W has come out with the M&P 5.7 at a lower price than I paid for the Ruger
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Does any of the 5.7 ammo run at 2500 fps from a pistol?
As for the M&P 5.7, it would be my choice just for the "different" operating system.
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Does any of the 5.7 ammo run at 2500 fps from a pistol?
As for the M&P 5.7, it would be my choice just for the "different" operating system.
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Some of the FN brand does. The Federal that I have is 2250.
I see Fiocchi has come out with some 1750.
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