Uberti Cattleman Q's

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Good, Bad, or Ugly: Taylors Uberti 1873 new frame TUNED vs untuned, vs find a custom gun smith for the tune up if needed, vs old frame. Any opinions? Any experience with the dia issue .452, vs .454?

But I'm happy as heck with my 45 shield
 
Good, Bad, or Ugly: Taylors Uberti 1873 new frame TUNED vs untuned, vs find a custom gun smith for the tune up if needed, vs old frame. Any opinions? Any experience with the dia issue .452, vs .454?

But I'm happy as heck with my 45 shield

Just my opinion. I would buy the tuned from Taylors vs. dealing with shipping an untuned revolver to be worked by a gunsmith. Might be different if there is a qualified smith close enough to avoid shipping. Lots of smiths out there doing tuning on guns for Cowboy Action/SASS shooting. Some have a lengthy waiting list.

I think the Italian replicas are sized for .452. Probably a question for Taylors.

New frame with plunger release for cylinder pin is convenient and you don't risk losing the old frame retaining screw. The plunger release came out in about 1898, so fairly authentic on a reproduction.
 
If you say "Tuned" and mean an "action job", Action jobs consist of spring kits and knocking any burs off the inside metal work. It will only cost $40-50 to do it yourself. Sending out is still an option. Basically, any brand SAA and copy of Colt 1861 Army, use the same parts kit until you mess with the frame, some may have a unique Hammer (Main) Spring.

I have seen many SAA's, Win 92's and Marlin 94's in need of new parts after "Well Known" gunsmiths do an action job that involve "stoning" the sear engagement! The Cowboy Era guns and their copies, do not have the interchange abilities of a 1911! Let alone a modern S&W!

Ivan
 
Good, Bad, or Ugly: Taylors Uberti 1873 new frame TUNED vs untuned, vs find a custom gun smith for the tune up if needed, vs old frame. Any opinions? Any experience with the dia issue .452, vs .454?

But I'm happy as heck with my 45 shield

Also just FYI, if you're looking for a proper 4-click action, I believe Uberti no longer makes it. The gun you buy will have a sort of lame retracting firing pin.

I've switched to Piettas for this reason, as they still have the solid pin/hammer with 4 click action like the originals.

This may not bother you but just wanted to let you know.
 
IMO, 90% of what a new SAA needs is just to be cycled to mate the parts. They're not exactly complicated mechanisms inside, and excessive polishing can affect timing unlocking and carry up. Reducing spring force may soften up the action's feel, but at the expensive of certainty of operation, and lightening the hammer spring by whatever means reduces reliability and slows down lock time on an already glacial hammer fall time.

Modern bore diameters seem to have standardized at .451" - for Uberti, but chamber mouths can measure .452"-.454" depending on the time of day, and whether the sun is at solar maximum. This "theoretically" has a negative impact on accuracy, but whatever that difference is purported to I haven't seen it. A 255 grain bullet is engaged into the forcing cone before the base leaves the case mouth, so initial entry is pretty well aligned, and the use of a softer alloy helps the bullet to compress lengthwise and expand in diameter as it squeezes into the forcing cone. A problem with using bullets sized to match the chamber mouths is they tend to raise pressure, promote leading, and shoot less accurately than one sized to .451".
While round nose flat points are the cool look for the venerable .45 Colt, a better bullet for accuracy is a Keith style SWC with short nose and broad shoulder that arrives at the forcing cone with more bullet still inside the case. The SWC style is also more destructive to tissue, and tends to "turn in" upon impact with bone, versus deflect away as it likely with anything with a rounded nose ogive.

The ammo makers have done a masterful job of making everyone think they need a JHP or some kind of expensive bullet in every caliber, but the old .45 Colt was bad-to-the-bone way back in 1872 pushing huge lead slugs that generated higher velocity and energy due to lower bore friction, and on impact these bullets would readily deform to to transfer energy.

As for the retracting hammer, the issue is that they removed the "quarter cock" ledge which is the first click, and they were so rude as to take the steel with it so it's impossible to just cut a new ledge. I don't see any mechanical reason the ledge could not have been left.
 
Based on my experience there’s no problem with over-sized throats in Taylor SAA replicas. However, I’d call Taylor and check out the Cowboy Action Shooting forum
Cas City Forum Hall & CAS-L - Index

You can learn anything you want to know about standard vs. “tuned by Taylor” vs. slicked up for cowboy action shooting there.

FWIW when I ordered a Gunfighter model I paid the extra for “tuned”.
 
A few years ago I picked up a used 90%+ Uberti Cattleman .45 Colt SAA (imported by Stoeger) at my lgs. It was a "Friends of the NRA" presentation model from 2005 (s/n NR0308), and somehow it had become a police evidence trade-in revolver! Weird! Anyway, for $350 OTD I couldn't pass it up. I lightly polished the hammer, trigger, and other internals, installed a Wolff's spring kit, and refinished the walnut NRA stocks with tung oil finish (yes, I left the "NRA" monograms on the stocks). Total investment...~$22. The action on this SAA is smooth as silk with a light trigger pull. No professional gunsmithing required! I was also compelled to buy a Bianchi California Outlaw holster and cartridge belt. No, I don't shoot Cowboy Action, but I've been a fan of westerns since I was 2 years old! And this SAA revolver pairs nicely with my Winchester 94AE Trail's End large loop saddle ring carbine (.45 Colt).
 

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I had a Uberti Stoeger like HawgRider's above except it had a brass frame. It was nice looking. Something broke in it so a guy 1/2 hr South of me repaired it. basically new springs, and it had a beautiful hair trigger when he was done, Less than $50, I believe. I filed at least an 8th inch fron the front sight and it still shot almost a foot low at 75 feet. I put it on consignment and it sold for what I had in it total before I got home. Sure was a nice gun, and easy to shoot .45 caliber.
 
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