Army FOIA request on my CMP 1911 came in

JohnRippert · Dec 30, 2023

I sent a request to both the Army and the Navy for my CMP 1911. The Army sent me a reply today and I expect there will not be any info from the Navy based on what I got.

Most FOIA requests I have seen info on start in 1975. It would be nice if we could get info from before that but we can extrapolate some. As it is a 1943 Ithaca it spent time somewhere during WWII. That much is pretty certain. No telling whether it saw any time in Korea but from the wear on it, I would not be surprised at all. Vietnam? Like Korea, no telling for sure.

Early October 1975 it arrived at the W7YV USA Logistic Readiness Center Fort Knox, KY

July 1976 it went to the Anniston Munitions Center Anniston, AL. This jibes with the 10/76 ANAD rebuild mark on the pistol.

06/77 it shipped to Fort Buchanan, Puerto Rico

09/83 it was issued to the 544th MP Company (GS) Salinas, Puerto Rico.

09/84 it was issued to the 544th MP Company AA Rear Det Fort Buchanan, Puerto Rico.

11/95 Sent to Rock Island Arsenal Rock Island, IL

06/10 Sent to DLA Distribution Anniston Anniston, AL

07/23 Transferred to Headquarters US Army TACOM Anniston AL

To finally get to my grubby hands the other day.

ETA:

After some research I find that the 544th MP Company from Puerto Rico went to Saudi Arabia/Iraq during Desert Shield and Desert Storm. They were used mainly as traffic controllers and guards for the 71,000 Iraqi prisoners taken. So there is a chance that this pistol may have been involved in that conflict.

murphydog · Dec 30, 2023

Thanks for posting, cool story.

So it spent 10 years into the Beretta M9 era in an MP armory, 15 years at RIA (inactive reserve status but presumably ready to go if needed), then 13 more waiting for disposition? Happily to us gun nuts.

Ivan the Butcher · Dec 31, 2023

During Desert Storm in the early 90's, The XVII Corps (Airborne) was worried about the treatment 101st and 82nd Airborne division combat medics would receive from SADDAM's troops. They didn't have authorization to issue M-9 Berettas to the medics. So, they sold a 1911A1 pistol, a holster, a cleaning kit, a field manual, and 4 boxes of ammo to each medic. All transfers went through off base FFLs and special arrangements were made for medics under 21 years old.

My 2 friends that were Navy Corpman assigned to Marine combat units didn't get that deal. In Desert Storm they were issued their choice of either a M-9 or a 12-gauge. My friend had a 12-gauge Beretta semi-auto. (The one in Iraqi Freedom was issued an M-9)

Ivan

Golddollar · Dec 31, 2023

My CMP 1911 doesn't have near as well of a documented and traveled history. I sent in a FOIA request to the Army for the gun's history. It's first record was being given to the Munitions Center in Anniston, AL in 1992 and it stayed in Anniston until 2019 when it was sent to the CMP to be sent to me. Other information I was able to glean elsewhere said the gun was made by Union Switch & Signal during World War II but it has a Colt slide. At least I got some history to go with the gun.

Puller · Dec 31, 2023

So, no reflection at all on the OP but I have a general question. Does anything of significance ever come from these FOIA requests?

Follow up question, does anyone have any concern about the impact these requests have on the offices that have to provide them. I mean, I assume there is a tax funded employee that's having to stop in their regular duties to respond to FOIA requests, or of more concern, surely we're not having to pay someone(s) full time to respond to them. I mean, it's not like these come through the Walmart self checkout where there is no labor involved. I'm not picking on anyone, just curious.

Ameshawki · Dec 31, 2023

Puller said:
So, no reflection at all on the OP but I have a general question. Does anything of significance ever come from these FOIA requests?

Follow up question, does anyone have any concern about the impact these requests have on the offices that have to provide them. I mean, I assume there is a tax funded employee that's having to stop in their regular duties to respond to FOIA requests, or of more concern, surely we're not having to pay someone(s) full time to respond to them. I mean, it's not like these come through the Walmart self checkout where there is no labor involved. I'm not picking on anyone, just curious.

Their regular duty is to respond to FOIA requests. It’s the law. Any federal agency of any size will have an FOIA staff of some kind.

Model 15-4ever · Dec 31, 2023

JohnRippert said:

That's a good looking specimen. Most of the CMP 1911s I have seen have a hideous uniform light grey parkerizing over every part.

JohnRippert · Dec 31, 2023

Model 15-4ever said:
That's a good looking specimen. Most of the CMP 1911s I have seen have a hideous uniform light grey parkerizing over every part.

That is why I went with a Rack Grade instead of a Service Grade. A lot of the SG pistols seemed to have been parked and stowed, so you get a bunch of uniformly finished guns.

sigp220.45 · Dec 31, 2023

The problem is very few show up in the system until waaaaay late in the gun’s life.

The first record of mine is in 1995 with the Pennsylvania Army National Guard. After that it just bounced from storage place to storage place.

They should just start actually charging the 25 bucks if it is getting burdensome.

Ameshawki · Dec 31, 2023

Mine came from Crane Naval Weapons Depot in the late 70’s. Spent the rest of its life sitting in Anniston. Someday I’ll send a request to the Navy but not expecting much.

JohnRippert · Dec 31, 2023

sigp220.45 said:
The problem is very few show up in the system until waaaaay late in the gun’s life.

The first record of mine is in 1995 with the Pennsylvania Army National Guard. After that it just bounced from storage place to storage place.

They should just start actually charging the 25 bucks if it is getting burdensome.

According to the form I filled out they do charge $25 if the search gets too long or convoluted. Mine mentioned that there was no charge so it was a easy lookup.

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