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jsfricks
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Scott Foster makes some with a heavy nut attached to a leather strap. Would definitely do the job.
SAP’s, Blackjacks, Carnies!
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Scott Foster makes some with a heavy nut attached to a leather strap. Would definitely do the job.
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jsfricks
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I’ve read that the police uniforms had a special pocket for the SAP and that pocket only disappeared a few years ago even though most departments got away from the SAPS in the early 80’s.
robertrwalsh
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One of the favorite prison weapons is "soap in a sock" or "lock in a sock." A bar of soap in a sock can hurt you or break your face pretty good. A lock in a sock can kill you.
Ivan the Butcher
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My grandfather told me about his sisters using a doorknob in a stocking as a personal protection devise, back in the 1920's.
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cadmike
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Here’s some of mine. The bottom one is a Smith & Wesson B96M. The black jack on top is a Foster. The carny jack was made for me by Dan Dukicin, featuring a multicolored braided wrist strap. I also have several other convoys, coin purses, cudgels, bludgeons and slungshots.
Vintage saps from bucheimer, S&W and JayPee have become quite collectible and harder to find. Used to be able to buy them off the bay for under $50 all day long. Not anymore.
If you like such things, there is an excellent ebook entitled “Saps, blackjacks and slungshots, a history of forgotten weapons” by author Robert Escobar, a fascinating read about the obscure history of these items.
Vintage saps from bucheimer, S&W and JayPee have become quite collectible and harder to find. Used to be able to buy them off the bay for under $50 all day long. Not anymore.
If you like such things, there is an excellent ebook entitled “Saps, blackjacks and slungshots, a history of forgotten weapons” by author Robert Escobar, a fascinating read about the obscure history of these items.
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Wrap it in masking tape and it is even less identifiable.
OutAtTheEdge
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LOL, I am SO stealing that!
Brauer Bros. made saps as well. I knew a few that carried them. I carried a night stick as it was much more versatile. Punks knew that you wouldn't shoot them, but they knew that you would engage the night stick. The mere presence of one cooled down some riled up trouble makers on occasion.
Yes they did. I carried my sap or billy in one and a flashlight in the other. They did away with the that pocket when the Cargo/BDU style pants became the trend.
I have posted this story before, can't remember if it was on this forum or not.
The NC State Highway Patrol issued blackjacks (labeled "Convoy") for many years. They had uniform pants specially made with a small pocket on the leg (at hand level) to carry the "convoy."
One of the overall department legal advisers had one mounted on a plaque on her wall. The inscription was "The $186000 Convoy." That's what it cost the state of NC in damages for the improper use of the weapon. That was the end of "convoys" for the NC State Highway Patrol.
The NC State Highway Patrol issued blackjacks (labeled "Convoy") for many years. They had uniform pants specially made with a small pocket on the leg (at hand level) to carry the "convoy."
One of the overall department legal advisers had one mounted on a plaque on her wall. The inscription was "The $186000 Convoy." That's what it cost the state of NC in damages for the improper use of the weapon. That was the end of "convoys" for the NC State Highway Patrol.
A friend of mine visited his wife's family in St Louis back in the '80 & saw the trousers with the sap pocket.
A number of the officers that I worked with carried them. I never did, but working night shift for 12 years straight, followed by 9 years on evenings, I had a 4 cell flashlight handy.
Some of the Old Heads in my PD carried saps
or what we called "slappers".
We were not issued nightsticks until around 1977.
Went through a training program..."three from the ring"...
"Seven count kata".(sp)
During our training an old very seasoned copper (WWII vet)
told the Lt. if he had to used that much energy on a suspect
he was justified to just shoot him.
or what we called "slappers".
We were not issued nightsticks until around 1977.
Went through a training program..."three from the ring"...
"Seven count kata".(sp)
During our training an old very seasoned copper (WWII vet)
told the Lt. if he had to used that much energy on a suspect
he was justified to just shoot him.
Marshwheeling
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I have heard a couple of “D” cell batteries in a sock works pretty well.
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When my sister went off to law school in Cleveland, my father gave her a sawed off pool cue butt with lead in one end and a lanyard in the other. Not sure where he got it from.
Hmm. I should ask her if she still has it.
Hmm. I should ask her if she still has it.
A friend of mine visited his wife's family in St Louis back in the '80 & saw the trousers with the sap pocket.
A number of the officers that I worked with carried them. I never did, but working night shift for 12 years straight, followed by 9 years on evenings, I had a 4 cell flashlight handy.
No personal experience, but I've always read that a 4 or 5 "D" cell Maglight is just as good for "putting out someones lights" as it is for lighting up dark spaces
Kinda' like a short nightstick with a light on one end.
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Mag lite worked too. Threw mine at a car that didn’t slow down going through a wreck scene. It went through the windshield. Another Patrolman stopped the car about 40 miles down the road for reckless driving.
Light still works.
Light still works.
Back in the early 50's my old man took on two policemen and one of them laid a sap behind his right ear. He faded into the lawn!! Funny!
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jsfricks
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Here’s a couple I was talking about.
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AJ
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I have a military police "night stick" and a PR24. Both are packed away. At my age would probably get hurt trying to use one. Side of the thigh as hard as you can will bring down most folks, unless they are on drugs.
