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12-17-2024, 02:44 AM
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Armscor Mapp1 FS
I very recently bought an Armscor Mapp1 FS from PSA. Why? Because it was so darned cheap. I think it was $220. It's a version of the Tanfoglio Witness. Well I guess it's a clone of an older model Tanfoglio Witness which I guess is a CZ75 clone.
It appears the polymer frame is made in the Philippines and the slide is made by Tanfoglio in Italy and assembled in the Philippines. The one mag has Tanfoglio's emblem stamped on it.
Well the gun works pretty well. It does have a rather atrocious double action trigger. It's plenty smooth but very heavy. However it has a very nice single action trigger. The safety can be engaged hammer down, half cock or full cock. There is no decocker.
The sights are a square notch rear with 2 white dots and the front a low post also with a white dot. I had to adjust the rear sight a bit to the left to get POI centered. With my normal hold it shoots a few inches low (bulk CCI Blazer). There is no elevation adjustment. The front sight is part of the slide. The rear is drift adjustable with a locking screw. At 15 yards using my tractor as a rest and with my eyes I was getting about 3" after I had it zeroed.
It only came with one magazine and PSA didn't have any. They seem to be a bit rare. I found some at Armscor but they were expensive for an inexpensive gun. I eventually discovered that the Mecgar CZ75B (MGCZ7516B) fit and could be found for $20 several places. So I have the mags sorted out.
The mags work perfect. The only difference is the OEM has a plastic floor plate that's slightly thicker with a tiny bit of a finger rest. The Mecgar just has a flat steel bottom. I'll probably make some bumpers out of an old semi mud flap I've been cutting peices out of for years.
Anyhow it seems to be a fun gun. Maybe if I really take a liking to it I'll get one of the newer and fancier CZ75 type guns. This is my first experience with the type. It's been flawless so far but the round count isn't over 100 yet.
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12-17-2024, 08:21 AM
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I have one of the older Tanfoglio CZ-75 "clones", a TZ-75 Series 88. It is an accurate 9mm pistol. I found that mine did not reliably eject U.S. made standard pressure ammo, but was reliable with U.S. made +P ammo and European made ammo. Dropping the recoil spring from the factory 14 pounds down to a 12 pound spring made it run with the much weaker U.S. made standard pressure ammo.
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I bought one several months ago, have several hundred trouble free rounds through it. Well, 1st time out the rear sight loosened and almost fell off but that's resolved. The MecGar mags are better than the factory one, I only use them. There are other $200 9mm pistols around but none are a better value. I do think the long, curved trigger contributes to the poor D/A trigger pull. Joe
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The CZ-75/Tanfoglio clones run heavy hammer springs. Combine that with the overly hooked trigger and you get an awful DA pull. On my old Baby Desert Eagle, I went down on the hammer spring and up on the recoil spring. I should take it out and see how it deals with the latest crop of S&B ammo that has hardish primers.
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Originally Posted by LVSteve
The CZ-75/Tanfoglio clones run heavy hammer springs. Combine that with the overly hooked trigger and you get an awful DA pull. On my old Baby Desert Eagle, I went down on the hammer spring and up on the recoil spring. I should take it out and see how it deals with the latest crop of S&B ammo that has hardish primers.
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Do you think the heavier recoil spring was necessary?
Who would have springs for these things?
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12-21-2024, 02:54 PM
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Anybody know where to find a holster for this guns? I don't want to spend custom holster money on this inexpensive gun. I would like a high ride holster with a thumb break designed for condition 1. Any suggestions?
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12-22-2024, 02:33 AM
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Do you think the heavier recoil spring was necessary?
Who would have springs for these things?
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During recoil the slide is pushing back on the hammer spring as well as the recoil spring. Reducing either of the springs has to reduce the resistance. That's why I went up on the recoil spring. Some people don't like to do that because when the slide goes forward with extra speed the muzzle nods low. I'm not a split time guy, so I don't care.
Ever noticed how strong the recoil springs are on many striker fired guns? That's because there is no hammer spring acting on the slide. Remember that the striker is cocked (partially or fully, depending on the design) when the slide goes forward and the sear pops up to catch the striker.
Good old Wolff Gunsprings should have what you need, I expect. Just match the size of your gun to the descriptor of a similar Tanfoglio or CZ-75.
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