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One of the last semi-auto handguns on my bucket list is the 9mm Luger. I have always wanted one and every once in a while, I like to review what is out there and see what Lugers that forum members have collected.Does anyone have the new Mitchell Lugers? If you would like to post pictures of any Lugers that you have/had and any story that goes with them, or advice on what type to buy for a good under $1,500 shooter, I thank you. Rick
 
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Dads Luger

Here is mine. It's a 1942 BYF (Mauser). My Dad Captured it from a German Officer in 1945, and Brought it back to the USA. It has the Original FXO coded Magazine. The Holster and Capture Papers were lost many years ago. It will be going to my Son after I'm Gone. I don't Shoot this one because if something were to break than the part numbers would no longer match.
 

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I have two of the Mitchell Lugers and had a third in the past. All but one of the three has had issues. They were fixable, but still......I have a 1920 Commercial in .30 cal that shoots like a dream and is so common from a collector's standpoint I don't feel bad about shooting it. I also have an Erfurt 1914 all matching that is functionally ugly but shoots very nicely. If you can afford it, go with the real deal. My recommendation, for what that's worth to you. For what you are willing to spend you should be able to get a decent one.
 
I've got 2. The 1st one was passed down from my father. He acquired it in the 60s or 70s. He bought it from a customer at his bank. They came to an agreement of $25 sight unseen. A couple days later the guy brought it into the bank. Upon seeing it, the 1st thing my dad did was balk at the price, and offered him $75 for it. The guy refused, and held firm to the agreed price. The story given to my dad was the guy's brother was in Germany as the Germans were retreating to Berlin. They came upon some fresh dirt and dug up 2 crates of Lugers, in factory cosmoline paper. And everyone got 1, with a holster. He sent it home to his brother to hold, but was KIA before he got home to it. The brother subsequently shot 1 mag out of it, and put it up. My dad bought the numbers matching (including mag), mint condition, 1938 s/42. We never shot the pistol in the 50+/- years we've had it.

My father died in 2001, still wanting a shooter grade Luger. Some 13 or 14 years later I was still wanting to shoot one, and finally bit the bullet, so-to-speak. I found a 1916/1920 double date DWM for $1k, and jumped on it. This one was also in excellent condition from the 1920 arsenal rebuild, and is also all numbers matching. (Though as I understand it, some of these were force matched. But all the numbers look original compared to the Russian force matched that I'm used to.) But alas, this one was bought to shoot. I take it out a few times a year, and thoroughly enjoy it when I do.

Wyman
 
Oh yeah, check out simpsonltd.com for original Lugers. I've never dealt with them, but they are the place to go online for Lugers.

Wyman
 
..... I found a 1916/1920 double date DWM for $1k, and jumped on it. This one was also in excellent condition from the 1920 arsenal rebuild, and is also all numbers matching ....

Just curious about that 1920 date stamp:

Are you positive that's a rebuild date and not the 1920 stamp required by Allied regulations for those guns officially permitted to remain in German service (Reichswehr or police) under the Versailles restrictions?
 
Just curious about that 1920 date stamp:

Are you positive that's a rebuild date and not the 1920 stamp required by Allied regulations for those guns officially permitted to remain in German service (Reichswehr or police) under the Versailles restrictions?

I bought the gun from Hugh Brock. Though he passed away a couple years ago, he is still well known to collectors of German firearms. He was a student of German firearms history, and was working on a book when he passed. My understanding from him is that all of the double dates went back to an arsenal to be prepped for the police due to the Versailles restrictions. Naval and Artillery models were rebarrelled to 4" in order to comply.

I'm trying to remember what he said, 4 or 5 years ago, so I very well could be off. But I'm pretty sure that's how he explained it.

Wyman
 
I know little about the topic but I do have a few "Lugers", including a P.08. I use quotes because the name Luger is a registered trademark owned by Stoeger and was never officially applied to any of the military pistols. So, what constitutes a Luger may depend on who you're talking to.

I also have a couple of stainless Lugers, one a 6" with the Luger name stamped on it and the other a 4" stamped Mitchell. Here's the 6" with my P.08 (stamped byf42). Then there's a .22 and a .380 (oddly the .22 is as large as the 9mms while the .380 is diminutive.)

The P.08 came from a gun show in '88 for $300. I bought the 6" stainless Luger new about '95 for $500. The 4" stainless came from GunBroker much more recently in 2009 for just over $700 - that's still not very current for today's market though.

Then there's this:
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If your budget is tight but you want that authentic toggle action, you can get a blowback CO2 BB pistol that is an exact replica of the real thing for a little over a hundred bucks.

Dan Wesson CO2 revolver - cool! 1911 added - Luger and Mauser added 12-4-2014


*edit* - By the way, the P.08 and the 6" stainless Luger both shoot whatever I feed through them, ball or hollowpoints or whatever. I know Lugers are supposed to be finicky but that hasn't been my experience. I haven't actually shot the 4" stainless gun. The .22 and .380 are jamamatics though. And the BB gun is spiffy fun.
 

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My 100% matching including the magazine 1918 DWM, I have had others in the past, but this is the only one that I have now.

It actually came from a Cabalas out of West Virginia with a WW1 holster that was sort of on the relic side. I had about $500 in gift cards that helped make it very attractive. It was priced at $1900 about three years ago.

This is the place to research and study the P08 market

https://simpsonltd.com

For a budget of $1500 you can get a very nice P08, it will be more on the shooter side, up your budget by $400-500 and you will start to be in the collector category. I am looking for another that is more of a shooter, my 1918 is almost too nice to take to the range very often.

If you are going to spend the money stay away from a Mitchell Luger and get the real deal, either a WWI Imperial P08, WWII P08 or a Weimar P08, you would be much better off with one that has seen some history.

 
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I've got one also, a real clunker. A 1915 DWM with mismatched numbered parts, almost no blueing, a broken grip that is almost worn smooth and a mag that was soldered to repair the broken bottom and yes, I've shot it. I brought the gum to Simpsons and the owner looked at it and said "wow". I brought it back from RVN after my 2nd and 3rd tour (macv 1972/73). It is a bring back with all the paperwork and yes, I removed from a NVA officer after a firefight. Just imagine where that gun has been.
 
I won't shoot a nice Luger for fear of breaking a numbered part like Nipperdog said. I did have a stainless Stoeger Luger for a while that was fun to play with.
 
...My understanding from him is that all of the double dates went back to an arsenal to be prepped for the police due to the Versailles restrictions. Naval and Artillery models were rebarrelled to 4" in order to comply.

I'm trying to remember what he said, 4 or 5 years ago, so I very well could be off. But I'm pretty sure that's how he explained it.
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Aha. Yes, either he or you misconstrued that, only slightly though ;)

The Versailles provisions that limited Germany's armed forces, the Reichswehr, to 100,000, also went into detail as to how many and what type of small arms the German government could own for them and the police forces of the German states.

Longer barreled pistols, both Lugers and C96s, that the Germans wanted to keep, had to be cut down to 10 cm barrel length; nothing as fancy as re-barreling in most cases.

And ALL small arms including bladed weapons included in the allowance were supposed to be stamped with "1920" in order to be easily identified as legitimate by control officers of the Inter-Allied Commission. But that was not indicative of any arsenal or re-work. If your gun has its original barrel length, it was just stamped to comply.
 
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Funny you should ask

I just cleaned my Luger yesterday, I had it out at the range Tuesday. It's a parts gun that I bought from an old collector about 10 years ago before he passed away. The frame and top end are both early WWII, with original grips and three original magazines. Amazingly it will shoot anything I put in it, hollow point or hardball. It functions perfectly and for what I paid for it, I can shoot it any time I want.
 

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I bought this one for $900 a few years ago. It's a Pattern 14 DWM Luger made in 1918, the 1917 marked holster is worth close to $300.

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Here it is in a bit more light that shows off the polish and blue.

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DWM lugers are the most common and Erfert made Lugers are a fairly close second. The WWI 1914 pattern Luger is common with about 2 million made during WWI by both DWM and Erfurt.

You can still find them with good bluing, strong strawing on the small parts and all matching numbers for around $900-$1200.

Theoretically non matching parts will cut the value in half, but purely as a shooter a non matching luger in only "good" or "fair" condition will still bring $400-$500.

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Lugers were designed for full power ammo, but if you plan to shoot one you should replace the springs.

Probably the easiest method to develop a load for a P08 Luger, or determine if a load is appropriate for a P08 is to put a single layer of masking rape over the shoulders on the frame behind the toggles. If the pistol functions reliably and the tap isn't cut by the toggles, the load is good to go. However, if the tape is cut by the toggles then you need a lighter load.
 
I'm a member of Gunforums.com which deals with mostly WW 2 weapons. Recently posted was a 1940 Luger that was pristine. Zero wear, but one part was not SN, nor was the magazine. It was very, very nice. I don't know if it was fired; there was no indication that it had been carried.

What the replies said was the Luger market is not favorable to the seller right now. Maybe because of the Russian capture models. I have no idea since I have no interest in the P 08. The near-perfect example was priced at those who know about $1500, IIRC. It was not a RC.

It's an aged design. For a shooter, I have heard it's not that great, but I've never fired one.

I would not buy anything from Mitchell's Mausers. Been modified way too much for a collector, but maybe as a shooter it would be OK.
 
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OK, I'll play.
I have two. A DWM 1921 that someone had nickeled at some point. It is an all numbers matching gun except for the magazine. The mag is an original with the aluminum bottom, but just not numbered to the gun. I bought it about this time last year for $400. The nickle is peeling a little in a couple of spots, but that's OK, its still a great shooter.
I also have Tom K I also have a Stoeger Luger in 22lr.
Unlike his, mine isn't a jammomatic. It actually feeds ammo pretty well for a 22, and eats about any HV I've tried to feed it. I tried some subsonic Russian Junior brand steel cased 22lr and it didn't like that stuff, but other than a bolt action I've never seen any gun shoot and eject and feed that garbage reliably. Unfortunately I have no photos of it to post. Guess I need to take a couple one of these days...
 

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I have one that's a K date. :D

Ha ha but not really. It's a forced stamped, "all matching" VOPO that I got from Sarco in 1993. It was $395.00 which I thought was a lot of money but I've been very happy with it. Of course I shoot it cause what's to loose. It still shots great.

At least the original VOPO grips are worth more now days than they were.

Jim
 

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I have one in the safe marked 1913 on the top. There is little to no bluing left. I believe all the numbers match. It actually belongs to my father. I watched a video about field stripping once. I shot it a couple times and the trigger was awful. I may go back through it one day and try and see why.
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What the replies said was the Luger market is not favorable to the seller right now. Maybe because of the Russian capture models. I have no idea since I have no interest in the P 08. The near-perfect example was priced at those who know about $1500, IIRC. It was not a RC.

It's an aged design. For a shooter, I have heard it's not that great, but I've never fired one....

I think that's true for several classes of collectible firearms right now. Winchester lever guns are in decline largely due to collectors dying off resulting in collections coming on the market but with far fewer new collectors coming up to buy them.

A lot of younger shooters right now are more interested in spending large amounts of money on high dollar precision rifles with high dollar optics and suppressors.

Lugers fall in the same category. WWII vets were in their 40s and 50s when I was young and were still just in their 60s when I started buying guns. WWI was 65 years in the past when I bought my first gun and WWI vets were in their 80s, but still around.

Now, the WWII is 75 years in the past, and WWI just over 100. Shooters' connections to those wars is much more remote and much more indirect. Lugers are not nearly as prevalent in popular culture and while still iconic, don't have as broad an appeal.

That makes it a buyers market.

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Shooting a Luger is a great experience. It's a dated design with a single stack magazine that won't drop free from the mag well on it's own and the location of the safety isn't ideal, so it's tactically irrelevant.

However, they point exceptionally well and when properly sprung they run a smooth as a sewing machine and are extremely nice to shoot.

Everyone should shoot a nice Luger at least once.
 
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