Carrying in College.

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Man I wish I could. I had orientation today at my school and didn't carry. There's one section in the student handbook that says you can't carry weapons. Today was the first day I was out in public without carrying... and I hated it!

Since school shootings are all the rage these days... I want to carry at school. My 642 would go unnoticed like it does every other day.....

I don't know.. maybe I should just be happy with the screwdriver I'll be carrying in my toolbox. :(

http://www.johnson.edu/library/2008-2009 Student Handbook.pdf

last years handbook. On page 46 of the PDF file, or going by the page numbers, 43.
 
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Students for Concealed Carry on Campus is a national, non-partisan, grassroots organization comprised of over 40,000 college students, professors, college employees, parents of college students, and concerned citizens who believe that holders of state-issued concealed handgun licenses should be allowed the same measure of personal protection on college campuses that current laws afford them virtually everywhere else. SCCC has members in all fifty states and the District of Columbia.

Both the membership and the leadership of SCCC are made up of individuals with very diverse political backgrounds. Among SCCC's leaders you'll find conservatives, moderates, liberals, Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Independents, etc. The members of SCCC look beyond partisanship, toward the common goal of achieving state laws and school policies based on factual evidence rather than emotional rhetoric.

College campuses, though typically safe, do play host to every type of violent crime found in the rest of society, from assault to rape to murder. Recent high-profile shootings and armed abductions on college campuses clearly demonstrate that "gun free zones" serve to disarm only those law-abiding citizens who might otherwise be able to protect themselves.

Because numerous independent researchers and state agencies agree that concealed handgun license holders are five times less likely than non-license holders to commit violent crimes; because no other type of location has seen an increased rate of violent crime since concealed carry became legal there; because the eleven U.S. colleges/universities that currently allow concealed carry on campus (and have done so for a combined total of more than eighty semesters) have not seen any resulting incidents of gun violence, gun accidents, or gun thefts; and because college campuses are open environments that lack screening measures such as metal detectors, X-ray machines, and controlled points of entry, SCCC feels that there is no pragmatic basis for declaring college campuses off-limits to concealed carry by the same trained, licensed adults (age twenty-one and above in most states) who lawfully and safely carry concealed handguns in locations such as office buildings, movie theaters, grocery stores, shopping malls, restaurants, churches, banks, etc.

SCCC has two main functions. The first function is to dispel the common myths and misconceptions about concealed carry on college campuses, by making the public aware of the facts. The second function is to push state legislators and school administrators to grant concealed handgun license holders the same rights on college campuses that those licensees currently enjoy in most other unsecured locations.

Because SCCC fully supports states' rights, its policy is to push for change at the state level, rather than at the federal level. The first step is to see the laws in many states amended to remove statutory prohibitions against concealed carry on college campuses. The next step is to see other states follow Utah's lead in prohibiting state-funded colleges from refusing to honor state-issued licenses.

Though SCCC supports concealed carry on the campuses of both public and private colleges, it also strongly supports the rights of private property owners; therefore, SCCC believes that the issue of concealed carry at private colleges must be handled through negotiations with school administrators, rather than through state legislation. SCCC believes that private colleges should be encouraged to support concealed carry on campus through the enactment of state laws that grant colleges immunity from liability associated with allowing concealed carry on campus.

SCCC supports the legalization of concealed carry by licensed individuals on college campuses. SCCC has no official positions on open carry, unlicensed concealed carry, or concealed carry on the campuses of primary or secondary schools.

Students for Concealed Carry on Campus is not affiliated with the NRA, a political party, or any other organization.

To contact SCCC's Board of Directors, e-mail [email protected].
 
Thanks for the info. I'm now looking into that group.

While it would be legal for me to carry, if for some reason I was "caught" I'd be at the schools mercy when it comes to remaining a student or not. :rolleyes:

http://www.johnson.edu/library/2008-2009 Student Handbook.pdf

last years handbook. On page 46 of the PDF file, or going by the page numbers, 43.
 
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I recall that it was legal for me to carry at my college, but that it was against school rules.

:cool:

Further affiant sayeth not . . .
 
I did a speech on campus carry last semester. Here in KY it's left up to the individual schools to allow or deny, and NKU denies. The most they can do is escort you off the property. If you resist, which I don't know why anyone would, it's a simple misdemeanor offense.

My Kel-Tec stays in my glove box (also against school policy, but state law trumps this). I doubt I would EVER be made but I'm certain that if I ever did they would have their eye on me, and it mades me a little nervy. We're working towards changing that policy.
 
USAF I concider you a buddy and from buddy to buddy you are going to have to decide risk being judged by twelve or carried by 6, and how often do you lift up your shirt and show them your 1 o'clock and say see my gun yet?
 
.....you are going to have to decide risk being judged by twelve or carried by 6,

In this case it wouldn't even be that. It would be.. judged by a group of school officials or carried by 6.

and how often do you lift up your shirt and show them your 1 o'clock and say see my gun yet?

Knowing USAF385............ haha
 
Well, you could get an online degree I suppose. Otherwise, see if there any metal detectors at your campus and do what you want to do.

Lots of things are against school rules. Don't carry a flask in your pocket. Don't drink beer in class. Don't drink beer in between classes. Don't play poker in class. Don't do other people's papers for money. Don't smoke on school property. Don't gamble on who's going to fail. Don't urinate in bottles and leave them laying around. Gets pretty onerous after a while...
 
My thinking? Appendix carry a snub and wear an untucked shirt. P3AT, or Black Widow in weakside front pocket for a BUG, with a hanky, or something, stuffed near the bottom to break up the outline. Good luck with your decision.
 
Generally, I am NOT a fan of leaving a firearm unattended in a vehicle.

According to the handbook - as I read it- keeping your firearm in your personal vehicle while its on campus is not a violation so long as the vehicle is not being used for College business.

I think of Appilachian State where to cc-ers had their firearms in the vehicles and retrieved them to intervene in a campus shooting to save lives.

There are several safes that can be used to mitigate the risk of leaving a firearm in the vehicle should you not want to risk possible (unlikely) discovery and sanction from the College.

I don't think there is any criminal concerns should you carry on campus - only sanctions from the College if discovered....

Only you can decide what works for you. Tough spot. Very upsetting. You shouldn't have to risk your education and $$$ spent on education merely to exercise your Constitutional right to self-defense and State granted priveledge to carry concealed... ***sigh***
 
You shouldn't have to risk your education and $$$ spent on education merely to exercise your Constitutional right to self-defense and State granted priveledge to carry concealed... ***sigh***

That's the truth!

Thanks for all the input folks. I had day two of orientation today... I was just as uncomfortable as I was yesterday without my S&W. I still haven't decided what I'll do...

School (of all levels) shootings are a reality. I'll be going to a place every day which has a higher risk of a targeted violent attack than anywhere else I go.... NOT carrying seems like a crazy idea.
 
Well, you could get an online degree I suppose. Otherwise, see if there any metal detectors at your campus and do what you want to do.

Lots of things are against school rules. Don't carry a flask in your pocket. Don't drink beer in class. Don't drink beer in between classes. Don't play poker in class. Don't do other people's papers for money. Don't smoke on school property. Don't gamble on who's going to fail. Don't urinate in bottles and leave them laying around. Gets pretty onerous after a while...
Carrying a concealed weapon on an unauthorized campus setting doesn't compare in severity to the examples given. I don't want "yahoos" running around campus where my grandkids are attending that are doing some of the examples given and packing "heat". Before you know it, "chug-a-lugs" will turn into "lets fire at the bottle"....."Do what you want to do...."?
 
If it was me in this situation, I'd carry something, even if it could only be something very small like my Kel-tec P3AT. In fact I'd do it even if it meant I had to go buy a piece specifically for school, you'll spend enough time there it'll be worth the expense. Also, there's plenty of hide-away holsters that would never be compromised until the gun was drawn.

You have to choose, do you break the rules and be able to protect yourself if, God forbid, something should happen. Or do you follow the rules and be as vulnerable as all those dead people at VA Tech were. Hmmm, the proper choice is pretty clear to me.

And, leaving it your car is the same as not having one.

Like I said before, what they don't know won't hurt them.
 
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